A lot of things that were acceptable in WW2 are not acceptable today. If that is good or not, that's anyone's opinion to have.
I personally don't think that diplomats should stay in a warzone
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Ukrainian War Developments
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I personally don't think that diplomats should stay in a warzone
Why would an embassy need to leave? China isn't at war with Ukraine, and has good relations with both sides.
There won't be a taliban style militia looking to kill Chinese diplomats. Remember in Chinese history embassies had to go into MUCH more dangerous circumstances to seek peace or terms.
Embassies shutting down and running at the first sign of danger is a modern phenomenon coming from the west. Given the crimes they commit when in other countries its probably justified.
You do not want another repeat "ACCIDENT" bombing courtesy of the US killing more Chinese, do you?
This happened at a time when US was not blatantly HYPER-HOSTILE.
May 7, 1999.
If that happens again then it'll be war. There's no way the response to that now will be the same as in 1999.You do not want another repeat "ACCIDENT" bombing courtesy of the US killing more Chinese, do you?
This happened at a time when US was not blatantly HYPER-HOSTILE.
May 7, 1999.
If it was up to me - I would premptively tell the Americans right now - any hostility towards the Chinese embassy would be percieved as an act of war against China and will lead to a strong retaliation. I guess the same would apply to the Russians and Ukranians.
Plus it sends a better message to stand up to your enemies than to run away.
How will this all play out? Will Ukraine or Russia notify china if actual conflict is imminent? Will China take precaution anyway and withdraw just for safety? Or are they staying there either wayWe are not going to see China withdrawing staff from the Chinese embassy in Ukraine because there will simply be no invasion. That's hysteria. But it's good to report and post to be saved.
Bs. They would just use the CIA to find some dozen gangsters, give them guns and then tell them to burn the Embassy (with its staff inlcuded) to the ground while trying to steal all the intelligence files from the Embassy.If that happens again then it'll be war. There's no way the response to that now will be the same as in 1999.
If it was up to me - I would premptively tell the Americans right now - any hostility towards the Chinese embassy would be percieved as an act of war against China and will lead to a strong retaliation. I guess the same would apply to the Russians and Ukranians.
Plus it sends a better message to stand up to your enemies than to run away.
Why would the US need to openly bomb the embassy when it could use the war as a cover to find gunmen/mercenaries to do its job covertly?
You underestimate how insidious they are
(If a war is going to happen soon) Russia will warn China, and China will leaveHow will this all play out? Will Ukraine or Russia notify china if actual conflict is imminent? Will China take precaution anyway and withdraw just for safety? Or are they staying there either way
True, but they could do that anywhere. Should the embassy evacuate every time there is unrest in a country in the third world?Bs. They would just use the CIA to find some dozen gangsters, give them guns and then tell them to burn the Embassy (with its staff inlcuded) to the ground while trying to steal all the intelligence files from the Embassy.
Why would the US need to openly bomb the embassy when it could use the war as a cover to find gunmen/mercenaries to do its job covertly?
You underestimate how insidious they are
I'm sure embassies have protocols on what to do with sensitive information in those situations. They also have panic rooms and shelters if things do get bad. It's much safer to be a diplomat than a soldier.
Stay there warn all participants to leave diplomats and civilians alone.
These actions are highly possible to succeed in a warzone where there is fog of war. This is why I am saying that war are unstable things. The moment you enter a warzone, life or death is not up to you.True, but they could do that anywhere. Should the embassy evacuate every time there is unrest in a country in the third world?
I'm sure embassies have protocols on what to do with sensitive information in those situations. They also have panic rooms and shelters if things do get bad. It's much safer to be a diplomat than a soldier.
Stay there warn all participants to leave diplomats and civilians alone.
For example given how extensively CIA has penetrated Ukraine, I am sure they could easily find trained mercenaries to attack the embassy while a war is happening.
That's why countries close/leave their embassies during a serious war these days. One day they are ok, next day you hear news about a massacre happening.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. A good ambassador doesn't abandon their post, just like a good soldier doesn't.These actions are highly possible to succeed in a warzone where there is fog of war. This is why I am saying that war are unstable things. The moment you enter a warzone, life or death is not up to you.
For example given how extensively CIA has penetrated Ukraine, I am sure they could easily find trained mercenaries to attack the embassy while a war is happening.
That's why countries close/leave their embassies during a serious war these days. One day they are ok, next day you hear news about a massacre happening
A good ambassador is a living ambassador. Diplomats are for peace, soldiers are for war.We'll have to agree to disagree here. A good ambassador doesn't abandon their post, just like a good soldier doesn't.
When you mix them up, a tragedy is bound to happen.
Anyway, as you said, let's agree to disagree
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