Ukrainian War Developments

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Phead128

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First wave of 400 Chinese successfully evacuated from Odessa.
If Putin told Xi during the Olympics of the impending invasion, then why NOW (5 days into invasion) that China successfully evacuate it's first people? Only 2 days into invasion did China tell it's citizens to evacuate. Now compare that to UK/US who was evacuating diplomats and telling to citizens to leave on Feb 12th, almost TWO WEEKS before the invasion. Are we sure China believed US intel on Russia invasion or did Putin only vaguely hint about it?
 

HereToSeePics

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Should you buy russian stocks now?

If you're in a country under US/NATO jurisdiction, probably not. Russian listed stocks on US and EU exchanges will be under tremendous pressure to delist, while your brokerage will likely be forced to restrict transactions in Russian stocks on Russian or neutral exchanges.

It will be similar to what was done to China Mobile, ZTE and SMEE and other Chinese stocks at start of the US/China tech sanctions. But keep in mind, this isn't fatal to the Russian company itself just because their stock price goes down. As long as the company is well capitalized with available cashflow, they can keep operating like normal regardless of the stock price.
 

siegecrossbow

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If Putin told Xi during the Olympics of the impending invasion, then why NOW (5 days into invasion) that China successfully evacuate it's first people? Only 2 days into invasion did China tell it's citizens to evacuate. Now compare that to UK/US who was evacuating diplomats and telling to citizens to leave on Feb 12th, almost TWO WEEKS before the invasion.

He didn’t. Still the Chinese should’ve acted as soon as the invasion started.
 

Atomicfrog

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F this!

After years of playing Quake, CS, Doom, I was promised a few rocket shots and money for school if I became a weekend warrior.

Then when the time came in boot camp it was “Carl Gustav cut for budgetary reasons”

I didn’t even need the money for school dammit!
My brother asked for a Carl Gustav to protect the alert zone of Bagotville airbase in Quebec, and it got refused, lol ! Well they saved them for this occasion, lol !
 

solarz

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The key here is that the US actually supported China there and it is important because it means that China could get basically scot-free there - American dogs might bark but won't bite without tacit approval. So it was hardly an error of judgment - they reached their goal without getting sanctioned to hell, unlike Russia.

And the key today is that Russia is supported by China.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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If Putin told Xi during the Olympics of the impending invasion, then why NOW (5 days into invasion) that China successfully evacuate it's first people? Only 2 days into invasion did China tell it's citizens to evacuate. Now compare that to UK/US who was evacuating diplomats and telling to citizens to leave on Feb 12th, almost TWO WEEKS before the invasion. Are we sure China believed US intel on Russia invasion or did Putin only vaguely hint about it?
Also, couldn't China's own intelligence experts have made sure that Russian statement was true or not? Likewise to what President Biden has claimed all along of an impending Russian invasion? Having a capable and robust intelligence operation is vitally important in winning a war. It's a bit naive for any country's leader to rely upon another leader's "trust me bro" spiel if the stakes or the consequences of the actions have global impact and dire consequences.

I mean, the U.S. was so convinced and has been proven to be correct in their intelligence assessment that Russia was going to attack and even if their dates was off by a couple of days, the attack culminated in the month it said Russia was going to commerce an invasion.

So am just curious just how reliable, robust, the PLA intelligence if at all? Because having an excellent intelligence is of supreme vital importance to the area we all know what am referring about.

@Overbom @gelgoog @ansy1968 @FairAndUnbiased @taxiya @Phead128 @solarz any comments on China's intelligence capabilities or lack thereof?
 
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Richard Santos

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He didn’t. Still the Chinese should’ve acted as soon as the invasion started.
at the risk of sounding cynical, if invasion succeeded quickly or Ukraine folded quickly, then there is certainly economic and possibly social advantage for a third country’s civilian contingent there if they are there are the ground and the occupiers are particularly friendly to that third country.
 
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