Chinese are too nice people. This is why China will never liberate Taiwan from traitors and scumbags. Xi take note. This is how you take out the trash.
Ukrainian War Developments
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I am reasonably certain Putin did not set out with the intention of occupying Ukraine one way or another. Rather the terms he presented to NATO was reasonable from Russian perspective, and he believed he made his seriousness clear with his deployment. he was prepared to follow through in the worst case scenario, but probably didn’t give that particularly high chance of happening.
So at the start of the Olympics I don’t believe he had made up his mind to invade Ukraine.
what he miscalculated was the American attitude, which was effectively uninterested in any compromise to avoid war, only Interested in forcing Russia towards total capitulation on their initial demands.
What Biden miscalculated was what Putin was truly after with his terms, and therefore what Putin would sacrafice to get it. Biden thought Putin was after restoration of the Russian territorial empire, so he estimated Putin would weigh the dubious benefit of acquiring Ukraine’s moribund demographic and miserable economy against the great cost of sanctions he could impose and find the gain to be far short of the cost.
what putin was after was the strategic depth required to secure the credibility of Russian‘s nuclear deterrence In the face of america’s abrogation of INF treaty. this is a existential concern for a hardcore but calculating Russian nationalists, and for this Putin is willimg to pay a higher price than sanctions could exact and he is probably willing to even go beyond the brink of nuclear release to secure.
the reason why Biden is making noises about de-escalating is it is dawning on him that he can’t exact a high enough price to stop Putin without risking a nuclear war. And having no ability to exact more prices from Russia for next steps Russia will undoubtedly take, America’s and NATO’s credibility will now take a hit with each further step Russia takes.
So at the start of the Olympics I don’t believe he had made up his mind to invade Ukraine.
what he miscalculated was the American attitude, which was effectively uninterested in any compromise to avoid war, only Interested in forcing Russia towards total capitulation on their initial demands.
What Biden miscalculated was what Putin was truly after with his terms, and therefore what Putin would sacrafice to get it. Biden thought Putin was after restoration of the Russian territorial empire, so he estimated Putin would weigh the dubious benefit of acquiring Ukraine’s moribund demographic and miserable economy against the great cost of sanctions he could impose and find the gain to be far short of the cost.
what putin was after was the strategic depth required to secure the credibility of Russian‘s nuclear deterrence In the face of america’s abrogation of INF treaty. this is a existential concern for a hardcore but calculating Russian nationalists, and for this Putin is willimg to pay a higher price than sanctions could exact and he is probably willing to even go beyond the brink of nuclear release to secure.
the reason why Biden is making noises about de-escalating is it is dawning on him that he can’t exact a high enough price to stop Putin without risking a nuclear war. And having no ability to exact more prices from Russia for next steps Russia will undoubtedly take, America’s and NATO’s credibility will now take a hit with each further step Russia takes.
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Seems like DPR and LPR's media game are top notch. If Russia was doing this they woudn't be beaten on the informational warfare front so badly.
No, Chinese embassy there tried to get chartered flights first, the evacuation started only now because they gave up on flights and switched to buses. Even with buses they had to secure cooperation from local Ukrainian police first. They can't just book a couple of buses and risk them getting blown up.
Anything happening to an evacuation bus will deal a huge blow to the government's prestige internationally and domestically.
Russia did squat in Syria. Went in half-ass just like in Ukraine!
it'll likely be a couple of days before all of these forces are in position. if the convoy is really 64km long, that could be a thousand vehicles.
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So give examples. Don't just talk the talk. What has the PRC done?
Its not like Russia doesn't have the tools.to do the same. The issue is that Putin has decided against using them because the war is unpopular with the population. Millions of Russians have interpersonal relations with Ukrainians
He wanted it to be as low key as possible. Which of course backfired because he forgot to cut off communications in Ukraine...
Crazy theory: Assuming what the POW’s say are true and that they didn’t know anything about the invasion nor prepared for it, what if Putin originally planned to invade only if the Ukrainians would immediately attack Donbas once they get recognized as an independent state? Assuming that was his original plan, when that didn’t happen and Ukraine and the West didn’t do s**t, he decided to shorten the timeline of his invasion by obviously a lot since this may be only his chance to knock out Ukraine without them preparing for his invasion (or so he thought). That would explain the initial dismal performance of Russian and Donbas forces and why China was willing to back Russia but didn’t prepare for the evacuation of their citizens in time.
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