Ukrainian War Developments

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yongpengsuen

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Chinese firms have developed no less than four different models of top-attack ATGMs, including:

1. HJ-12
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2. TS-01
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2. GAM-10X series
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4. TL-4
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5. Sabre series
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I guess you can call me an ATGM salesman, much like my SDF buddy the drone salesman.

Russia has pretty good ones too like Kornet M which were used in Yemen war.


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tamsen_ikard

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Where Germany goes the rest of EU follows.

That's a combine 18 Trillion USD GDP economy (the same as China) rearming after three decades of military neglect and fully in the US camp now thanks to Putin.

Somewhere Xi Jinping must be banging his head against the wall screaming something along the lines of "with friends like this, who needs enemies"


Its very naive and easy to think that Germans and Europeans did not rearm because they don't want to. Its because they can't. You cannot create a militaristic society with a huge military without stroking nationalism. Military might and pride in your own nation goes hand in hand. When that happens, what is stopping Germans to think that maybe they don't need to live under American boots. What is stopping a far right government from coming to power and stroke racist sentiments against Slavic polish people who took German land for example.

What is stopping Poland from becoming even more nationalistic and thinking of taking over their lost lands?


Remember the original purpose of Nato: To keep germans down and keep americans in. So, if Americans are getting out to focus on China, and Germans are no longer kept down and becomes militarily powerful, The likelihood of rise in nationalism and eventual break up of Nato will increase.

Anything that increases nationalism and far right tendency is good for Russia and good for China who wants to break the EU alliance into smaller pieces that are fighting each other.
 

Jingle Bells

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Where Germany goes the rest of EU follows.

That's a combine 18 Trillion USD GDP economy (the same as China) rearming after three decades of military neglect and fully in the US camp now thanks to Putin.

Somewhere Xi Jinping must be banging his head against the wall screaming something along the lines of "with friends like this, who needs enemies"
That's just silly.
Do you really think German can really "re-arm" with just a increase to 2% GDP? What does the Germans have right now? Expensive tanks and IFVs.

Dude, ballistic missiles, hypersonic missiles, bombers, cruisers, Aircraft carriers, SSN's, these are the bare minimum of what "re-armament" really means. A small little increase to 2% does nothing to Germany, nor EU. Increase to 20%, and they will still need half a decade to bring the R&D and production momentum up.
 

ArmchairAnalyst

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It doesn't really matter, it will take at least a decade for the EU to build up their MIC again. In that time China could well be the foremost power on the planet.

Also, a militarilly stronger EU is not necessarily a good thing for the US and bad for China, as it means they will act more independently and in their own interest, and they are after all on the Euroasia land mass and so have a vested interest in BRI.
Before yes. After Ukraine no. Its an luxury EU can't afford anymore. Just like the old Soviet times.
And the harder Russia is with Ukraine both now and after Ukraine is defeated, the harder the EU resolve will be.
Nothing like a common existential threat to unite people and countries.

Add that Ukraine might also become a sort of "not again" banner in regards to Taiwan.
 

Aegis21

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Its very naive and easy to think that Germans and Europeans did not rearm because they don't want to. Its because they can't. You cannot create a militaristic society with a huge military without stroking nationalism. Military might and pride in your own nation goes hand in hand. When that happens, what is stopping Germans to think that maybe they don't need to live under American boots. What is stopping a far right government from coming to power and stroke racist sentiments against Slavic polish people who took German land for example.

What is stopping Poland from becoming even more nationalistic and thinking of taking over their lost lands?


Remember the original purpose of Nato: To keep germans down and keep americans in. So, if Americans are getting out to focus on China, and Germans are no longer kept down and becomes militarily powerful, The likelihood of rise in nationalism and eventual break up of Nato will increase.

Anything that increases nationalism and far right tendency is good for Russia and good for China who wants to break the EU alliance into smaller pieces that are fighting each other.
There’s been such a crack within NATO between Turkey and Greece for some time now. It could expand to many other countries now.
 
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