Ukrainian War Developments

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Zichan

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Phead128 said:
Russia is already weak, but it feels boxed in by NATO, so adding a few more sanctions (offset by China), and establishing a de-militarized neutral buffer zone is well worth the high price if it means safeguarding your national sovereignty and security interests. Just like UK's Brexit from EU, some nations do things not out of consideration of dollars and cents, but out of vague intangible national security interests that sometimes might hurt them economically, but they think it's worth the costs because the perception of sovereignty is paramount.
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I understand their motives. I just think they are playing a losing hand. Russia has no effective succession mechanism in place. Sanctions will inevitably weaken Putin's grip on power and empower his opponents. The West is bound to seize upon this opportunity and attempt regime change. Until then, China is the principal strategic benefactor.
 
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9dashline said:
This is doing down much faster than I imagined....
at this rate by the end of this week China will be cut from SWIFT as well

And again like with the computer/chip ban thing, this isn't so much about Russia/Ukraine as it is about being a veiled threat and hidden message to China... that if China doesn't capitulate to the US/West, starting with backstabbing Russia, (and ending with complete economic, technological and military surrender to the US) etc that it is China that is next on the chopping blocks of Swift and IC sanctions
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You think the Western Neocons, Elites, Politicians are going to chop off their own nutsack to spite China?

Kick Russia out = Can’t Buy Oil.

Kick China out = No more manufactured goods

Results? Maybe triple digit inflation as the bare minimum.
 
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My observation is that Russia didn't use much of its artillery. Both Russia and China love to use massed artillery to soften their enemies and targets before full assault. I think it has to be the fact that Russia doesn't want to have bad publicity and to control civilian casualties. In addition, I find it odd that Russia didn't bombard Ukraine for a few weeks before attacking like the NATO or the US did. It could be that Russia wanted a quick victory and element of surprise. Unlike the West which has MSM on its side, Russia doesn't want a prolong war and wanted to finish the war in a matter of weeks not months.
 
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KYli said:
My observation is that Russia didn't use much of its artillery. Both Russia and China love to use massed artillery to soften their enemies and targets before full assault. I think it has to be the fact that Russia doesn't want to have bad publicity and to control civilian casualties. In addition, I find it odd that Russia didn't bombard Ukraine for a few weeks before attacking like the NATO or the US did. It could be that Russia wanted a quick victory and element of surprise. Unlike the West which has MSM on its side, Russia doesn't want a prolong war and wanted to finish the war in a matter of weeks not months.
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They certainly aren’t doing a lot of air sorties either. Seems like the main focal point is the ground forces.
 
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Zichan said:
I understand their motives. I just think they are playing a losing hand. Russia has no effective succession mechanism in place. Sanctions will inevitably weaken Putin's grip on power and empower his opponents. The West is bound to seize upon this opportunity and attempt regime change. Until then, China is the principal strategic benefactor.
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The successor of Putin wont't be this friendly.

To get here took good 25 years of hard work from the USA.


The successor will be more hard lined.
 
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9dashline said:
This is doing down much faster than I imagined....
at this rate by the end of this week China will be cut from SWIFT as well

And again like with the computer/chip ban thing, this isn't so much about Russia/Ukraine as it is about being a veiled threat and hidden message to China... that if China doesn't capitulate to the US/West, starting with backstabbing Russia, (and ending with complete economic, technological and military surrender to the US) etc that it is China that is next on the chopping blocks of Swift and IC sanctions
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If Russia is cut from SWIFT then EU loses half its energy supply.
 
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