escobar
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Why NATO need to bring official combattant to UKr if they could kill RU soldiers and weaken RU through a proxy War? Call me when RU manage to deter NATO from sending arms to UKr lol.
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escobar
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Only weak talk you have. RU should do it if they can
Just another excuse for NATzO to avoid facing the full force of the noble Russian army in the battlefield. huhuhu
Call me when NATzO Proxy and illegal occupier Ukroain re-invades liberated Novorossiya
supercat
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Someone mentioned before that the Moskva's radar system had not been modernized and could only engage a single target. I doubt that. It probably could engage a few targets simultaneously. The Ukraine side probably used a few UAVs to distract the cruiser. I'm wondering how many targets can China's 055 with its modern AESA radar engage at the same time? Hundreds?
Of course Russia will do it. And if US decides to commit an act of genocide against the peaceful nation of Venezuela and Cuba in a pathetic attempt to eliminate Russian nukes, then the UK will also be a legitimate target for Russian counter imperialist maneuvers.
Let's be clear about something: the only thing keeping Ukraine in this fight is NATO aid. Otherwise this war would've been over a long time ago. The Russians haven't just destroyed fuel depots and military targets. They've also destroyed airports, warehouses, factories, railroads, and just about anything else you can imagine. I think what's frustrating for you and for a lot of other people observing this war is this inexplicable sense of "how are the Ukrainians still in it against the Russian war machine?" And the answer to that question is simple: because it's a proxy war, being waged first and foremost by the United States, but also by nearly all of Europe. That's why the Ukrainians are still in it. That's why Russia could destroy nearly every square inch of Ukraine, killing every human being, and NATO would still find a way to arm and supply the cockroaches that survived. The problem isn't with what Russia's doing or not doing. It's with your expectations. Life is a game of expectations at the end of the day, and the Russians have finally gotten some realistic ones. Ukraine will never be smashed to bits: it's too big and it's being helped by the entire West. The best Russia can hope for at this point is to significantly weaken its enemy, so that it's not much of a long-term threat, and to grab as much land as possible in the east.
Ukro Nazi NATzO proxy has been reduced to BEGGING for NATzO arms. such a sad reality to see.
But since NATzO loves to spread terror and destruction by supplying arms to Ukro Nazi occupiers, Russia must see to it that it supplies an equally massive amount of arms to countries that will soon be victims to future NATzO aggression.
But since NATzO loves to spread terror and destruction by supplying arms to Ukro Nazi occupiers, Russia must see to it that it supplies an equally massive amount of arms to countries that will soon be victims to future NATzO aggression.
I am more the side that its sheer snafu given the Russian Navy's horrific safety record, where we have seen ships repeatedly that suddenly go on fire, and nearly go kaboom. The latest incident was an advanced corvette under construction and this one happened a few months ago. Given the state of the Moskva, which is in a very poor state --- halfway to a scrapyard is the best way to describe it --- its much more likely it is an accident. If Ukraine has active antiship missiles, why fire it on junk, when they should have been fired on the modern corvettes and frigates in the first place, which should have been done in the beginning of hostilities, before these ships would repeatedly and repeatedly unload one Kalibr salvo one after another against your precious ammunition stores, fuel bunkers, vital railway depots, and personnel concentrations.
Assuming the Moskva's weapons systems are running, which I don't think it was, the Top Dome phase array fire control radar would have been capable of multiple engagement, but only in the quadrant direction the FCR is turned in. This radar sits on a pedestal, which is turned around in 360 degrees. You can potentially distract the Top Dome with a decoy in one quadrant, while the antiship missile comes in another quadrant, but that kind of coordination seems rather effy. Furthermore the two functioning search radars would still have picked up the antiship missile. Even if the ship is not upgraded with Top Plate, the older Top Pair or Top Sail or whatever you call it, you can see the two search radars here, are still back to back arrays. That's not just one, but two of them. Finally, the Kashtan CIWS also has its own radar.
Another possibility is that the ship is sabotaged by someone who is intensely dissatisfied of either the Russian Navy or the current Putin regime, and it can be done as simply as arson. We know of the recent case of the Bonhomme Richards for one.
To whoever thinks that the loss of a Slava class cruiser isn't important: you are wrong. A Slava-class is the equivalent of early-Arleigh Burke/late-Ticonderoga class by era and technology, all of which possesses sophisticated multi-role capabilities with emphasis on area air-defence. I am willing to bet that there will be a lot of comments bloating about how ineffective Aegis system is if any of these US ships were sunk by...say Iran. The only difference is that US has 70+ Arleigh Burkes & Ticonderogas, and possess the capability to build more (despite the absolute absymal state of US shipbuilding). Russia can't. Also, as purpose built flagships, Slava-class offers command facilities which Admiral Grigorovich and Admiral Gorshkov classes simply can't provide due to tonnage limitations. Hence why Russia has been trying to keep as many Slava and Kirov-class ships in service as possible.
Did the Moskva sail without any frigate escorts? A Slava-class should operate as the leader in a pack of frigates.
Did the Moskva sail without any frigate escorts? A Slava-class should operate as the leader in a pack of frigates.
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