Ukrainian War Developments

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tonyget said:
He says that：

China won't give Russia technology，China just want to sell finished products to Russia

China will sell stuffs that Russia cannot get from the west at a higher-than-normal price，because Russia has no other choice

I would say these claims are true

He says China want to see Russia weaken，so China could have more bargaining power when dealing with Russia。

I would say China does not want to see Russia collapse，China wants to see Russia fight the west as long as possible。But it is in China's interest that Russia become more dependent on China. In the past Russia was actually very cautious about China's economic influence over Russia and Central Asia region，Russia was not that open to China as some would have otherwise imagined.
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Has there been any historical precedent for China behaving this way? How many times has China sold product more expensive than the west for equal quality? From a cursory glance at Chinese diplomatic behavior, China has never done this, this is what anti-Chinese people think China would do if they were in China's position. This is classical 以小人之心度君子之腹。
 
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Ace Maverick said:
If NATO assisted with the targeting and killing of Russian soldiers and assets, why doesn't Russia retaliate against NATO as well? Sure, NATO is giving itself plausible deniability with having NOC assets in Mariupol and assisting and targeting and providing Command and Control for Ukraine (effectively leading the ukrainian army), why persist with the fig leaf of there not being a war between NATO and Russia?
It reminds me of the Phoney war in the lead to WW2.
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This is the question NATO are basically asking themselves. They're doing more and more against Russia and so far Putin has been happy to take it all. There's been zero pushback from Putin, except for the threat of using nuclear weapons. That's worked to some extent but if he keeps threatening to use them, eventually his bluff will be called.

He needs to wrap up Ukraine ASAP and move on to confronting NATO directly. He is nowhere close to doing this with his current strategy.

At this point is the whole of Ukraine even worth it for the sanctions? With these losses I'd want the entire eastern Europe, including east Germany.

Once Ukraine is (painfully) taken, call up Biden. Tell him either Russia goes back to 1989 Iron curtain borders, or Russia and America have a full nuclear war. I'm 70-80% sure America and west Europeans would choose the former.
 
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Jingle Bells said:
I believe it's the simple fact that Russia lacks ships.
Russia doesn't have a lot of ships, that's a fact. If they even have 12 Gorshkov-class in commission right now, the situation would have been a lot different.
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i mean its value become questionable that in 50 days. it couldnot shoot anything or participate in any other way. alteast it should have used Cannon on shores.
 
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It should be very easy for Russia claim a huge portion of the Black sea next to Ukraine and Crimea to be NFZ. Enforce that NFZ with air force and air defence in Crimea and then place ships in that bubble to enforce the blockade but Russia is not doing that.

Instead NATO has been flying ISR non-stop since Day 1 of this war and in some cases close to Crimea territorial airspace. This loss was inevitable as they provided the coordinates to Ukraine. I bet NATO drones have directly flown over Russian ships in the Black sea.

They will lose more ships if they don't change tactics.
 
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Abominable said:
I can't believe I need to point this out, but I will.

If Ukraine had Neptune missiles, why has it taken this long to use them? Why didn't they use them when Russian ships were sat outside Odessa, or docked in Ukrainian ports? Clearly something has changed, and it's not the Ukrainians suddenly remembering they have Neptune missiles.
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targeting data from you know who.
 
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what a huge public embarrassment. This really hurts Moscow's deterrence vs. nato because this ship has a lot of Anti ship capability. biggest naval disaster since the Kursk. Russian mil has a proven record of getting their ships and ammo depots catching on fire. Safety has never been a strong priority in the Soviet Union and that tradition carried over to Russia.

If it were really hit by Ukr missile, it may impact some of their deep strike capabilities as they would have to increase their stand-off distance.
 
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