Ukrainian War Developments
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I only posted the official press release here. We know the Ukrainians have the Neptune. And we know ships have been hit before in this conflict. Mostly civilian ships, and most supposedly with mines. If it was indeed struck with a Neptune that would be its first successful combat use. And in my comment I did say it was a major loss. Russia does not have that many 10k ton displacement ships to begin with. Regardless of how obsolete the Moskva was it still provided deterrent value and had blue water navy capability. A ship like this does not need and probably was not sailing close to shore. These are ships designed before drones became a threat to shipping. More modern versions of the S-300 like the one in the Admiral Gorshkov have quad packing of missiles. So you have more cost effective missiles against lower value targets. And they no longer have a revolver launcher, but a VLS, so you can launch multiple missiles simultaneously. And they have AESA radar. Even the Marshal Ustinov, which is an upgraded ship of the same class, got a Top Plate radar which has two faces and no blind spot in radar coverage. In fact the Moskva was the only ship in this class without such an air search radar.
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How deep is the sea? Is it possible to retrieve later down the line? I would like to have the ship be displayed in a museum after its been refurbished if its no longer combat-worthy.
If it sank I doubt they will bother. It will probably get replaced with one of the enlarged Gorshkov destroyers or Lider cruiser when that comes out near the end of the decade at best. The Admiral Nakhimov is supposed to enter service this year. But I would not call it a replacement for this ship, since the Peter the Great is supposed to enter refit after it enters service. So it will replace the Peter the Great.
Why are Russians so afraid to admit that this could be due to a western missile? A NATO MOD has both privately and publically admitted to providing Ukraine with anti ship missiles. During NATO wars in the middle east Russia, China & Iran would get blamed for everything, even when there wasn't a shred of evidence.
You do realise that not confronting this makes you look weak and at this point is eroding your nuclear deterrence?
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The Ukrainian Neptune missile isn't less capable than most NATO anti shipping missiles. At least on paper. The best NATO anti ship missile is probably the Norwegian Naval Strike Missile. And I did hear rumors of possibly sending it to Ukraine. The Brimstone the UK was supposed to send is really short range and not really in same class of weapon.
Apparently I am a troll for posting stuff that doesn't accord with his preferred narrative. Aww, diddums...
US and NATO intel probably helped with the targeting but I'm surprised it still couldn't deal with two missiles. Their modern frigates perform better than these cruisers it seems.
We shouldn't kid ourselves. Russian military overall suffers from lack of funding and the consequences is showing.
You need money (fiat currency) to buy guns and Russia doesn't have much and the ones they get, they spend them unwisely or they vanish due to corruption.
Their Navy suffers the most from their lack of funding. US makes a big deal out of them because US DOD needs a bogeyman to get funding. Only their submarine force is potent but even in that department, they can't modernize fast enough.
It continues to baffle me why they are fighting this war like this and only doing it piecemeal. Meanwhile Ukraine is backed by NATO ISR and weapons and they have the entire nation to pull troops from.
We shouldn't kid ourselves. Russian military overall suffers from lack of funding and the consequences is showing.
You need money (fiat currency) to buy guns and Russia doesn't have much and the ones they get, they spend them unwisely or they vanish due to corruption.
Their Navy suffers the most from their lack of funding. US makes a big deal out of them because US DOD needs a bogeyman to get funding. Only their submarine force is potent but even in that department, they can't modernize fast enough.
It continues to baffle me why they are fighting this war like this and only doing it piecemeal. Meanwhile Ukraine is backed by NATO ISR and weapons and they have the entire nation to pull troops from.
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