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Agreed, in the end, this discussion on POW is just going to invite a very big debate that isn’t going to contribute to anyones sanity

instead I am more interested in the development of what is going on in Mariupol


One must wonder as to whether Zelenski realises if actions like this isn’t going to stop Putin but only harden his resolve because if their is one thing I can see, is that a comedian can never match up to someone who has served the KGB and have years of experience under his belt. One must wonder if zelenski even with the aid of the collective west could even break even against a man many times his senior because with all these moves made in desperation, he must sense that what he is doing is almost pitiful of not outright sad that me must be reduced to begging for aid like this. What is more important, the people or making ‘Brandon’ happy?
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That's what I want to know, what was his motives for increasing tensions between Russia, and which lead to the current catastrophe we're seeing. There was clearly a better option than stubbornly pursuing a NATO membership, or antagonizing Russia, we could chalk it up to the far-right elements within his country threatening or pressuring him, or being paid off by foreign forces. But why didn't he just resign from there? If he truly care for his country, and don't want to get involved in what we see now, why didn't he run against the current of anti-Russian nationalism or just resign from there and take up activism after leaving for safer haven.

Ukraine had a lot of potential, their geography is very favorable as they can act as a bridge for trade between Asia and Europe, they have plenty of resources and industries that can find a lot of customers for, a lot of monuments and historical site inherited from the USSR period where they can attract a lot of tourist to come and visit their place. There was a better option they could have take, I don't know why they squandered it over petty nationalism and paranoia over Russia. Its really a pity, now they are going to turn into another Syria, a battlefield for one side to fund their proxy armies and increase the profit of their military industry, and the other have to fight who they see as their own brothers, until there's nothing left to protect, or anything to value any further.

Learning from this, I hope for the other side of the strait to not follow the same path, I think the government in China would have preferred the status quo. Recently, my parents told me that China used to propagandize that they have a schedule to take Taiwan at 2000, but it never happened. So I do think its all sabre rattling at the moment, but the choice of words used reflect what option they would take if there was truly no other way, and I wish that Taiwan and China be "reunified" technically instead, where the status quo can be cemented forever with some changes to how both will conduct diplomatically on the global stage.
 
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I have no clue how the USA keying working, but I presume they need to periodcally update all GPS(USA) key over secure communication, means they have to integrate the Ukrainans into the NATO communication network, with the relavant communication keys.
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Which it must be a huge opsec hole, seeing how easy it is to "motivate" people to give away secrets in an impoverished country.
 
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That's what I want to know, what was his motives for increasing tensions between Russia, and which lead to the current catastrophe we're seeing. There was clearly a better option than stubbornly pursuing a NATO membership, or antagonizing Russia, we could chalk it up to the far-right elements within his country threatening or pressuring him, or being paid off by foreign forces. But why didn't he just resign from there? If he truly care for his country, and don't want to get involved in what we see now, why didn't he run against the current of anti-Russian nationalism or just resign from there and take up activism after leaving for safer haven.

Ukraine had a lot of potential, their geography is very favorable as they can act as a bridge for trade between Asia and Europe, they have plenty of resources and industries that can find a lot of customers for, a lot of monuments and historical site inherited from the USSR period where they can attract a lot of tourist to come and visit their place. There was a better option they could have take, I don't know why they squandered it over petty nationalism and paranoia over Russia. Its really a pity, now they are going to turn into another Syria, a battlefield for one side to fund their proxy armies and increase the profit of their military industry, and the other have to fight who they see as their own brothers, until there's nothing left to protect, or anything to value any further.

Learning from this, I hope for the other side of the strait to not follow the same path, I think the government in China would have preferred the status quo. Recently, my parents told me that China used to propagandize that they have a schedule to take Taiwan at 2000, but it never happened. So I do think its all sabre rattling at the moment, but the choice of words used reflect what option they would take if there was truly no other way, and I wish that Taiwan and China be "reunified" technically instead, where the status quo can be cemented forever with some changes to how both will conduct diplomatically on the global stage.
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You are looking at it as someone who has agency of his own and has genuine love for his country and people. I think you'd be disappointed to find out many people is not like that at all, Zelensky is one such specimen.

I can admire the courage of Ukrainian soldiers fighting for their country, but for this shit stain of human garbage I have nothing but distain. No need to contemplate why he did the things he did, just imagine what soulless money loving puppet is willing to do for their foreign master and you'll have your answers
 
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You are looking at it as someone who has agency of his own and has genuine love for his country and people. I think you'd be disappointed to find out many people is not like that at all, Zelensky is one such specimen.

I can admire the courage of Ukrainian soldiers fighting for their country, but for this shit stain of human garbage I have nothing but distain. No need to contemplate why he did the things he did, just imagine what soulless money loving puppet is willing to do for their foreign master and you'll have your answers
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All of that just for bunch of cash, I truly can't believe such people exist in our world, but then again we have horrible individuals getting paid to commit disgusting acts in the battlefield right now. These types would likely sell their own mother, just to get a taste of the high life...
 
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enroger said:
You are looking at it as someone who has agency of his own and has genuine love for his country and people. I think you'd be disappointed to find out many people is not like that at all, Zelensky is one such specimen.

I can admire the courage of Ukrainian soldiers fighting for their country, but for this shit stain of human garbage I have nothing but distain. No need to contemplate why he did the things he did, just imagine what soulless money loving puppet is willing to do for their foreign master and you'll have your answers
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The Guardian already did a piece on his ties to dirty money, before the current push to wash the guy's image. So it's probably worse than they let on.

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That's what I want to know, what was his motives for increasing tensions between Russia, and which lead to the current catastrophe we're seeing. There was clearly a better option than stubbornly pursuing a NATO membership, or antagonizing Russia, we could chalk it up to the far-right elements within his country threatening or pressuring him, or being paid off by foreign forces. But why didn't he just resign from there? If he truly care for his country, and don't want to get involved in what we see now, why didn't he run against the current of anti-Russian nationalism or just resign from there and take up activism after leaving for safer haven.
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You miss one important point, all elites of Ukraine are fully under US control. They store money in western banks, use western off shores. And by flip of US fingers, all those assets would be frozen. And even in Ukraine you would not be safe, cause any government that try to make peace with Russia would be destroyed by Far Right coup. This is why Minsk 2 deal was dead. This is why NATO was adamant about expansion into Ukraine, despite the inevitable war that would follow. And what Zelenskiy risk with this war? Even if Ukraine lose it completely, he would have safe haven with all his money in UK or some other western country. It is not like he would face any combat himself or his family.

US is ready to fight with Russia until the last Ukrainian. They lose nothing due to this war. EU gets all side effects of this war. And EU political elite are under firm US control.
 
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All of that just for bunch of cash, I truly can't believe such people exist in our world, but then again we have horrible individuals getting paid to commit disgusting acts in the battlefield right now. These types would likely sell their own mother, just to get a taste of the high life...
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It is not that hard to believe unfortunately, just look at Chinese history we have no shortage of such individuals....
 
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Anlsvrthng said:
.I have no clue how the USA keying working, but I presume they need to periodcally update all GPS(USA) key over secure communication, means they have to integrate the Ukrainans into the NATO communication network, with the relavant communication keys.
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If they are relying on Ukrainians to keep it secure.. it's a lost cause. They should not give any relevant security or high tech stuff to Ukraine that they would note dare to fall in Russian hands.
 
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