Ukrainian War Developments

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anzha

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Are Ukrainian tanks more resistant to mud or something? What do you mean by that.

Ukrainian tanks are not immune to the mud.

The routes the Russians - who are advancing! - will follow are easily know and can be prepared for. They can be blocked by those infantry: kill the tanks at the front and cause a massive traffic jam. That route cannot be advanced up until after the wrecks are cleared. Go off road and get stuck. The recovery vehicles have a problem getting to the wrecks due to the traffic jam and mud.

The mud makes the terrain more like a series of canyons rather than a flat plain. That mud makes infantry king on this field until the mud dries out.

Infantry can escape and not be pursued after firing an ATGM by tanks. Mud doesn't affect them as much. The Ukrainians have been handed a gobsmacking amount of ATGM. Sending helicopters after the infantry runs the risk of MANPADs...which the Ukrainians have a lot of, too.

When the mud dries, the Russians can get off the roads and cue the Doom music. Until then, the Ukrainians will have the advantage.

The Russians should know this. It boggles my mind why they did not wait until May or June to start the war.
 

Jingle Bells

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They have been engaged for weeks in Mariupol with no end in sight. Urban warfare is heavily underestimated.
The way you phrase this is ridiculous!
Just because Russia can't do urban warfare well, doesn't mean other people will be worse at it. This war shows that Russian military is NO benchmark for the world. Not for China, and especially not for the US.
 

anzha

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Just because Russia can't do urban warfare well, doesn't mean other people will be worse at it. This war shows that Russian military is NO benchmark for the world. Not for China, and especially not for the US.

There was an interview by a former USMC rifleman fighting in Ukraine. He stated the way the US fought in Fallujah would not work in Ukraine. The USMC employed tanks in the very front lines and he stated in Ukraine, they'd be blasted apart immediately.

I have an itchy feeling urban warfare has had a shift and we don't have a good idea of who - if anyone - would be good at it.
 

pmc

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Just look at collective Europe olympic medals you will get idea that it is not easy to fight European training either for US or China.
US entire complex product built on European engineering.
There is no practical comparable evidence that any one else can do better that what Russians trying to achieve with constraints of population.
 

Richard Santos

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There are chances that the Democrats will get wiped during the midterms, as they have renegged on pretty much every electoral promise they made except Afghanistan.

And a Republican midterm victory means a likely Trump victory, specially as economic conditions worsen partially because of sanctions and the existing inflationary trend.

Which will mean a massive loss for NATO

midterm is still 7 month away. between now and november trump is likely to be saddled with so many 1/6 revelations and legal troubles he would be unelectable in 2024 or ever even if the Republicans score an overwhelming win in the midterms. once it becomes clear trump’s endorsement hurts in more places than it helps, trump will be discarded like yesterday’s trash by the GOP. All republicans love trump’s appeal to the base. almost no elected republicans don’t hate the guts of the man.
 

Jingle Bells

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They have targeting pod and it is already export certified. it is rumored that Su-34 and Su-57 has internal system. there is new Su-34M that has more advanced system. I am not sure how many drone strike sorties they are generating but fighters are on avg 300 with massive use of choppers in addition.
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Dude! You know what I am talking about!

Of course I know that Russian MIC can produce and export targeting pods and PGM's and standoff smart munitions, these are all offered to the export market, I know that!

But does the Russian VKS put into commission a lot of these for platforms across their entire fighter-bomber fleet, and train with them regularly? NO!

We all know that the Russian Su-34 and Su-30 got shot down because they are freaking dropping dumb iron bomb at a low altitude, making them vulnerable to even short range MANPAD from the ground. What's the point of those ”internal targeting systems“, if all they are doing is dropping dumb bombs at dangerous low altitude?

We all know that the Russians don't have a equivalent of J-16D, and they have to get Su-35S to do SEAD mission.
 

pmc

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Dude! You know what I am talking about!

Of course I know that Russian MIC can produce and export targeting pods and PGM's and standoff smart munitions, these are all offered to the export market, I know that!

But does the Russian VKS put into commission a lot of these for platforms across their entire fighter-bomber fleet, and train with them regularly? NO!
Su-34 haul 12 tons of fuel without external fuel tanks. Russian choppers are heaviest interms of fuel carrying. so you think they cannot afford a pod?. it is there doctorine not to use pods especially for this conflict. even the choppers that striking atgm they are practically withinin visual range.

We all know that the Russian Su-34 and Su-30 got shot down because they are freaking dropping dumb iron bomb at a low altitude, making them vulnerable to even short range MANPAD from the ground. What's the point of those ”internal targeting systems“, if all they are doing is dropping dumb bombs at dangerous low altitude?

We all know that the Russians don't have a equivalent of J-16D, and they have to get Su-35S to do SEAD mission.
Russia has EW choppers and Su-34. so i am not sure what extra you adding to it. the newest Mi-38 has alot increase engine power to deal with electronics.
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sheogorath

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between now and november trump is likely to be saddled with so many 1/6 revelations and legal troubles he would be unelectable in 2024

They couldn't impeach the guy twice, even with a smoking gaitling gun of crimes and legal troubles. It will just add to his popularity as the Biden(and Dems) are associated with the current economic downturn .
once it becomes clear trump’s endorsement hurts in more places than it helps, trump will be discarded like yesterday’s trash by the GOP. All republicans love trump’s appeal to the base. almost no elected republicans don’t hate the guts of the man.

Everybody thought exactly the same thing about Trump in 2016, and it is why Clinton pushed for the guy to be the Republican nominee, thinking it would be an easy win for her. We all know what happened


And this will affect NATO. The guy will return with a vengeance and most likely will spin the Russian attack on Ukraine as a NATO failure and pull from the organization.
 

tank3487

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We all know that the Russian Su-34 and Su-30 got shot down because they are freaking dropping dumb iron bomb at a low altitude, making them vulnerable to even short range MANPAD from the ground. What's the point of those ”internal targeting systems“, if all they are doing is dropping dumb bombs at dangerous low altitude?
Some peoples really underestimate Ukrainian air defense capability. It had 3 hundred launchers in around just for S300 at the start of conflict. Not to mention who knows how many Buk systems. And all this with live radar coverage by NATO AWACS that are permanently in the air at Ukrainian border. This is why Russian air, in areas where air defense are still sporadically active(they are in offline mode until target get into kill zone, so antiradar missiles do not help), are forced for low attitude operations.

In the East where Ukrainian air defence had ceased to exist Russia do use high attitude bomb runs.
 
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