The radar is either not present or the drone flies slow enough for it to be classified as birds and filtered out.
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The radar is either not present or the drone flies slow enough for it to be classified as birds and filtered out.
Broccoli
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Without US there aren't a single NATO military what could capture Ukraine. Russia is in same league with those countries.
I don't know about China because we've never seen them fighting a modern war.
From the video it looks like the drone is no more than 5km away, at this distance it should be more than enough to make out the target assuming it is something like Orion and not a dji drone...
The radar is probably not present
Do you think the Americans would have taken Baghdad so quickly if the Iraqis were determined to fight?
The biggest flaw of the Russians' assumptions was that the Ukrainians wouldn't fight.
The Russians did not go upon Kiev with the number of troops necessary, nor have they use the firepower necessary to bring Kiev to be surrounded or to bomb it into submission. They also rushed their initial approach to Kiev because of their HUBRISTIC assumptions that the Ukrainians wouldn't fight, instead of going about it cautiously and deliberately, backed with heavy firepower against targets ahead of their approach. The Russians rushed armoured units well ahead of their logistics and supply units in the North with extreme hubris, based on those nonsensical assumptions.
Broccoli
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Russia is clearly struggling with supplies even when they direct land route to frontline and in fact has been forced to back down in several fronts by conventionally weaker opponent due their problems and this all after month has passed.
Let's not forget that recent chopper assault on Russian territory.
Another day goes without Russian using its air superiority to wipe out Ukraine's unprotected forward positions. How many Russians need to die before Putin ends this war?
I'm starting to think this is a situation like the Yom Kippur where Israel was afraid to wipe out Egypt's trapped third army because of American/Soviet retaliation.
I'm starting to think this is a situation like the Yom Kippur where Israel was afraid to wipe out Egypt's trapped third army because of American/Soviet retaliation.
plawolf
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I think some people have been play way too much video games to think fighter jets are the best tools to use to intercept helicopters.
During exercises, fastjets consistently struggle to score kills against attack helicopters. There was also at least one notable instance where an Apache managed to score a ‘kill’ against an F15 during such exercises.
The key to survival and success in modern warfare is intel.
If you know where enemy AWACS, SAMs and CAP are, you can plan your route and manoeuvre to avoid them.
In this war, NATO AWACS and EW assets play a massively enhanced role that they would not be able to even if NATO was directly engaged. Because without direct hostility between NATO and Russia, NATO intel and C&C assets can get much closer to the frontlines than they would ever dare to in direct combat against the Russians.
With NATO assets giving them a live feed on Russian assets movements throughout the mission, it’s possible to breach any realistic defence.
The key for the attack helicopters would be to stay clear of SAMs and other air defences. If/when Russian AWACS and/or CAP got too close, they could hover or even outright land to avoid detection and lift off against after the danger has passed.
During exercises, fastjets consistently struggle to score kills against attack helicopters. There was also at least one notable instance where an Apache managed to score a ‘kill’ against an F15 during such exercises.
The key to survival and success in modern warfare is intel.
If you know where enemy AWACS, SAMs and CAP are, you can plan your route and manoeuvre to avoid them.
In this war, NATO AWACS and EW assets play a massively enhanced role that they would not be able to even if NATO was directly engaged. Because without direct hostility between NATO and Russia, NATO intel and C&C assets can get much closer to the frontlines than they would ever dare to in direct combat against the Russians.
With NATO assets giving them a live feed on Russian assets movements throughout the mission, it’s possible to breach any realistic defence.
The key for the attack helicopters would be to stay clear of SAMs and other air defences. If/when Russian AWACS and/or CAP got too close, they could hover or even outright land to avoid detection and lift off against after the danger has passed.
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Their Rotor produce modulation, so even when hover they can be detected. Although it can be argued that the detection range would be worse due to rotor's small cross section (yes to detect the rotor modulation, one have to detect the rotor and this can be smaller than the helicopter itself)
I'm leaning to the theory that there are no air cover present at that time, same as Tu-141 crash at Zagreb when there is no NATO AEW cover on Romania. The ground based radar can detect it but in this case, Horizon is preventing them.
The thing about AEW and jets however is that they got the best view of the horizon, which makes them suitable for detecting low fliers.
From the research that I have done, the Russians, especially in the North rushed their armoured formations well ahead of logistics and supplies, and they especially in the first few weeks did not take enough precautions to protect their supplies by guarding them with insufficient infantry and armour.
The Russians clearly do not have the number of personnel that is necessary to take Kiev. Russia committed nearly 100,000 personnel to the 2nd Chechen War to take Grozny and Kiev had like 7 times the population of Grozny and it took 4 months for the Russians to take it, following a slow, methodical, and deliberate advance. It is all due to the respect that the Russians gained for the Chechens in 1994-1996 war which they did not have for the Ukrainians, despite clear evidence of the Ukrainians being determined to fight and being very well equipped.
With regards to the helicopter assault on Belgorod there are two things. The Russians were caught napping and assumed that the Ukrainians wouldn't dare attack Russian cities and as such they haven't put proper AA in towns and cities across neighbouring Russian oblasts, if they did so, even though that helicopter slipped through the cracks, it very likely wouldn't be able to leave Russia even if it hit its target. It likely wouldn't even reach Belgorod. This is another terrible assumption made by the Russian Administrators of this war.
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