Ukrainian War Developments

FairAndUnbiased · Mar 31, 2022

Lethe said:
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Each day that Russia fails to significantly escalate this conflict via national mobilisation is a day closer to Russia's defeat, most likely in the form of narrowing objectives to securing the Donbas and declaring this to be "victory". Russia is trying to fight this war like the US and its allies did their various wars of choice over the past generation, i.e. with little to no impact on the home front. It has not worked and will not work, not when Ukrainians are fighting under conditions of national mobilisation, when they are being resupplied by the west, and when Russia has demonstrated little to no ability to interdict those supplies. If Russia is not willing to mobilise its population for war, and not willing to bring out the nukes, then this is over and the rest is detail.

Do you know why Russia is hitting Ukraine's oil storage facilities, supply depots and repair shops? Because that is the actual key to maneuver warfare. You need fuel, parts and their distribution to do anything, otherwise it's the experience of the PVA in the Korean War: even if they succeed in an ambush, the UN forces can literally just drive in the opposite direction and unless you shoot them right then and there, they'll get away. Meanwhile in Vietnam there was jungle and swamp everywhere, so if you got stuck in a battle, there's nowhere to run.

Russia now has the advantage of having fuel where they need it, and Ukraine doesn't. It doesn't matter how many ATGMs Ukrainian side have if the only way they have of deploying it is with pickups and SUVs.

Maikeru · Mar 31, 2022

Atomicfrog said:
Yep but it include ''NO RUSSIAN'' ''NO RUSSIAN LANGUAGE'' and ''NO RUSSIAN CULTURE'' and it's the cause of more than 8 years of conflict...

So not "white supremacist" but "Ukrainian supremacist"? Why did you use the former if not to stir up racial hatred? Like a nasty little Incel?

Maikeru · Mar 31, 2022

FairAndUnbiased said:
Do you know why Russia is hitting Ukraine's oil storage facilities, supply depots and repair shops? Because that is the actual key to maneuver warfare. You need fuel, parts and their distribution to do anything, otherwise it's the experience of the PVA in the Korean War: even if they succeed in an ambush, the UN forces can literally just drive in the opposite direction and unless you shoot them right then and there, they'll get away. Meanwhile in Vietnam there was jungle and swamp everywhere, so if you got stuck in a battle, there's nowhere to run.

Russia now has the advantage of having fuel where they need it, and Ukraine doesn't. It doesn't matter how many ATGMs Ukrainian side have if the only way they have of deploying it is with pickups and SUVs.

No it is because the Russian air force is completely rubbish and that is the only size target they can hit. Basically an enormous oil/fuel depot, they have about a 40% chance of hitting with 50+ of their best cruise missiles. Honestly, a straight non-nukes fight between NATO and Russia would end up with NATO tanks on Red Square within a week. And that's only because the Abrams/Leopards would need to stop to refuel.

FairAndUnbiased · Mar 31, 2022

Maikeru said:
No it is because the Russian air force is completely rubbish and that is the only size target they can hit. Basically an enormous oil/fuel depot, they have about a 40% chance of hitting with 50+ of their best cruise missiles. Honestly, a straight non-nukes fight between NATO and Russia would end up with NATO tanks on Red Square within a week. And that's only because the Abrams/Leopards would need to stop to refuel.

good thing Russia puts its budget into nukes then.

meanwhile you have Saudi with 100% NATO weapons getting hit in their own homeland by Yemeni goat farmers cruise missiles fired from pickups. Where's their Abrams and Leopards?

Maikeru · Mar 31, 2022

FairAndUnbiased said:
good thing Russia puts its budget into nukes then.

meanwhile you have Saudi with 100% NATO weapons getting hit in their own homeland by Yemeni goat farmers. Where's their Abrams and Leopards?

If their nukes work as well as the rest of their kit, we have nothing to fear!

As for the Saudis, aren't they in China's camp now? Lots of WL1 over Yemen. Perhaps if they'd stuck with Western kit they'd have won by now?

FairAndUnbiased · Mar 31, 2022

Maikeru said:
If their nukes work as well as the rest of their kit, we have nothing to fear!

As for the Saudis, aren't they in China's camp now? Lots of WL1 over Yemen. Perhaps if they'd stuck with Western kit they'd have won by now?

Lol try it and find out.

Nope Saudis started in 2015 and Patriots, both the missile and the demographic, have been humiliated. They couldn't detect even detect Yemeni C-802s, a 1980s subsonic Chinese cruise missile.

Jingle Bells · Mar 31, 2022

Maikeru said:
If their nukes work as well as the rest of their kit, we have nothing to fear!

As for the Saudis, aren't they in China's camp now? Lots of WL1 over Yemen. Perhaps if they'd stuck with Western kit they'd have won by now?

Pulling absolute bullshit out of your ass again.
They have billions upon billions of dollars worth of Western kit. How much money did they even spend on Chinese weapons?

The last time I checked Royal Saudi Air Force, it's made of 72 Eurofighter Typhoon, 81 Tornadoes, 211 F15E. Which of these are even Chinese?

LawLeadsToPeace · Mar 31, 2022

FairAndUnbiased said:
good thing Russia puts its budget into nukes then.

meanwhile you have Saudi with 100% NATO weapons getting hit in their own homeland by Yemeni goat farmers cruise missiles fired from pickups. Where's their Abrams and Leopards?

Generally speaking, Arabs suck at employing maneuver warfare. Aside from irregular groups like Hezbollah, their performance in literally every 20th and 21st century war shouldn’t be used as measures of the weapons they use.

Maikeru · Mar 31, 2022

LawLeadsToPeace said:
Arabs suck at information and maneuver warfare. Their performance are terrible examples of the weapons they use.

Almost as bad as Russians. Except of course the Russian weapons are also crap.

Atomicfrog · Mar 31, 2022

Maikeru said:
So not "white supremacist" but "Ukrainian supremacist"? Why did you use the former if not to stir up racial hatred? Like a nasty little Incel?

hummm... okay ? Have you some problems or you just like to insult people ?

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