Ukrainian War Developments

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yongpengsuen said:
ISIS are suicidal. Ukrainians are not. Mariupol is not Raqqa. And Kharkov is not Fallujah.
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I guess our definitions of “toughness” are different. When I mention “toughness” in this context (tactical performance), I mean the ability to cleverly outmaneuver the enemy. Yours is about the individual willingness to fight. In that case, as of now, I haven’t seen thousands of Ukrainians surrendering in a single attack by the Russians like ISIS fighters did:

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Or while defending a stronghold like the ones in Ukrainian cities:
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That situation didn’t even happen in Mariupol. So, by both of our definitions, I’d say the Ukrainians are tougher to beat.

Edit: Saw Deino’s post. If you want continue the conversation, we can do so via pm’s.
 
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Whenever I see the Russians using SAMs to take out these small drones, often commercial ones like you-know-who, I keep thinking wouldn't it be more economical to use ack-acks like a Zu-23 instead?

Granted it wouldn't be as precise, but the flak rounds would take them out just the same. Even with something as old as a Strela-10 or an Osa, I just think how cost-ineffective it is, that they'd be better served taking out helos or Su-25s (whatever the Ukrainians got left) and actual military drones like the TB2.
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If they cannot take out small drones, it would be better to not having sam systems at all. They have nothing to shot at if not small uav and maybe TB2 if they are lucky. A zu023 is a good deterrent to infantry tho. In any case, a lot of these missiles have a short shelf life, better to use them than to dump them. But you have exceptions, Germany send weapons to Ukraine when their shelf life are expired.
 
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The West already threw everything they had against Russia, so I see no reason why Russia should be restrained any more.

Congratulations to Europe, they are going to have this man as their neighbour now:
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Russia is not north korea. For one thing, Russia borders so many countries it is inconceivable that russia can be totally isolated. For another, Russia’s depth of skill, expertise and organization
WickedhichofWest said:
Back to the USSR!!!
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more like back to the czarist empire.

Back to the USSR is just an cynical American slogan designed to get extra mileage out of the cold war investment in popular anti-communism. They try to take the same weapon out of mothball and deploy against china, but mostly it misfired, so instead of china being portrayed as the new communist menace, it has been repainted as the new authoritarian menace.

Incidentally people tend to hate the most that which the covet but can’t have. No doubt trump covets the domestic power Xi has snd Putin’s ability to just poison his own critics, but he can’t have those in the US yet.
 
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Richard Santos said:
Back to the USSR is just an cynical American slogan designed to get extra mileage out of the cold war investment in popular anti-communism. They try to take the same weapon out of mothball and deploy against china, but mostly it misfired, so instead of china being portrayed as the new communist menace, it has been repainted as the new authoritarian menace.

Incidentally people tend to hate the most that which the covet but can’t have. No doubt trump covets the domestic power Xi has snd Putin’s ability to just poison his own critics, but he can’t have those in the US yet.
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The funny part is if Putin party is detroned, it will be the Communist Party of the Russian Federation that will take his place, :p !
 
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Whenever I see the Russians using SAMs to take out these small drones, often commercial ones like you-know-who, I keep thinking wouldn't it be more economical to use ack-acks like a Zu-23 instead?

Granted it wouldn't be as precise, but the flak rounds would take them out just the same. Even with something as old as a Strela-10 or an Osa, I just think how cost-ineffective it is, that they'd be better served taking out helos or Su-25s (whatever the Ukrainians got left) and actual military drones like the TB2.
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TB-2s cost $5 million each, it more than worth it to take them out. Military drones fly too high for something like a Zu-23 to take out.

You're right though. There is a gap in the military industry for a low cost smaller SAM platform designed specifically for drones. I don't think any country has anything like that.
 
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