Ukrainian War Developments

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Lapin

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If you believe the revolution of 2014 was illegal, then so were all subsequent elections. They occurred in the aftermath of a neo-nazi revolution where political opponents were arrested and tortured, opposition parties banned and dissenting pro-Russian opinion censored.

You could make a case for Russia's annexation of Crimea to be illegal. They should have taken Kiev in 2014 and restored the original government. It's good that they are rectifying that error now.

Wasn't that what you were saying about Russia and Putin?

Ok, no more discussion about the political aspects of this from me. This is a military forum.
"If you believe the revolution of 2014 was illegal, then so were all subsequent elections."

The American Revolution of 1776 was illegal under British law.
So do you believe that all subsequent elections in the USA must be illegal and thus disrespect their outcomes?

"Wasn't that what you were saying about Russia and Putin?"

FALSE. Can you QUOTE where I wrote that NATO should invade and occupy Russia and forcibly 're-educate' its people?
But that seems to be exactly what you yearn for Russia to do to Ukraine.

According to many, if not most, writers in this forum:
Extolling Russia's invasion of Ukraine and yearning for Russia to crush all Ukrainian resistance is admirable non-political speech.
Daring to criticize or cite facts to point out weaknesses in pro-Russian propaganda is political speech that should be banned.
 

Helius

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"If you believe the revolution of 2014 was illegal, then so were all subsequent elections."

The American Revolution of 1776 was illegal under British law.
So do you believe that all subsequent elections in the USA must be illegal and thus disrespect their outcomes?

"Wasn't that what you were saying about Russia and Putin?"

FALSE. Can you QUOTE where I wrote that NATO should invade and occupy Russia and forcibly 're-educate' its people?
But that seems to be exactly what you yearn for Russia to do to Ukraine.

According to many, if not most, writers in this forum:
Extolling Russia's invasion of Ukraine and yearning for Russia to crush all Ukrainian resistance is admirable non-political speech.
Daring to criticize or cite facts to point out weaknesses in pro-Russian propaganda is political speech that should be banned.
You've made your point, a dozen times over. Let it go already. You won't convince them any more than they will convince you.

This is the 'Ukrainian War Developments' thread, not the 'Pick-a-hill-to-die-on-just-so-you-can-get-the-last-word-in' thread.

Someone's got to stop. Be the bigger man, take the high horse or the high road.
 

Lapin

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@Lapin . I admire your effort to be un-biased as possible. But everyone is biased in some way or another. And to be honest this isn't the correct thread for this. So please just agree to disagree.
I have NOT claimed that I am completely unbiased, but at least I attempt to be aware of any biases.

I can speak Russian, but not Ukrainian. I have more Russian friends than Ukrainian friends.
I would not blame Ukrainians, knowing that, for suspecting that I have a pro-Russian bias.
Yet I respect and admire the Ukrainians for their valiant resistance.
"The courage of your enemy does you honor."

Again, I can discuss and disagree in civil terms with people upon relevant issues.
I could play chess with Sergey Karjakin, though I oppose his blindly nationalistic support of Putin's war.
Karjakin has said that it's his duty to support--without thinking (his words)--every decision by his leader.
"Jawohl, mein Führer!"

What I object to is several people putting words into my mouth, lying about what I write, and personally attacking
me, though it's really not 'me', it's their absurd fantasy of what they--knowing nothing about me--project me to be.
Then I get thinly veiled condescension from men who (not criticizing other men) say that it should not bother me.
Of course, double standards tend to be normal in one-sided male-dominated spaces.
 

Will76

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I have NOT claimed that I am completely unbiased, but at least I attempt to be aware of any biases.

I can speak Russian, but not Ukrainian. I have more Russian friends than Ukrainian friends.
I would not blame Ukrainians, knowing that, for suspecting that I have a pro-Russian bias.
Yet I respect and admire the Ukrainians for their valiant resistance.
"The courage of your enemy does you honor."

Again, I can discuss and disagree in civil terms with people upon relevant issues.
I could play chess with Sergey Karjakin, though I oppose his blindly nationalistic support of Putin's war.
Karjakin has said that it's his duty to support--without thinking (his words)--every decision by his leader.
"Jawohl, mein Führer!"

What I object to is several people putting words into my mouth, lying about what I write, and personally attacking
me, though it's really not 'me', it's their absurd fantasy of what they--knowing nothing about me--project me to be.
Then I get thinly veiled condescension from men who (not criticizing other men) say that it should not bother me.
Of course, double standards tend to be normal in one-sided male-dominated spaces.
Yes i understand what you're getting at. but this is a thread for war developments. Not the moral issues side of it or anything of the sort.
 

enroger

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I have NOT claimed that I am completely unbiased, but at least I attempt to be aware of any biases.

I can speak Russian, but not Ukrainian. I have more Russian friends than Ukrainian friends.
I would not blame Ukrainians, knowing that, for suspecting that I have a pro-Russian bias.
Yet I respect and admire the Ukrainians for their valiant resistance.
"The courage of your enemy does you honor."

Again, I can discuss and disagree in civil terms with people upon relevant issues.
I could play chess with Sergey Karjakin, though I oppose his blindly nationalistic support of Putin's war.
Karjakin has said that it's his duty to support--without thinking (his words)--every decision by his leader.
"Jawohl, mein Führer!"

What I object to is several people putting words into my mouth, lying about what I write, and personally attacking
me, though it's really not 'me', it's their absurd fantasy of what they--knowing nothing about me--project me to be.
Then I get thinly veiled condescension from men who (not criticizing other men) say that it should not bother me.
Of course, double standards tend to be normal in one-sided male-dominated spaces.

You've made your position abundantly clear in dozens of posts, I can respect that position. However every time you open your month you just can't help but to insult people and put words into their mouth (an act you seem to hate) and make wild assumption on people's background like saying they are cultural revolution victims who can't think critically, I mean really? And don't say I'm putting words into your mouth again, I can pick the exact passage from your post if you challenge me to do so.

You see people don't really have a problem with your position, it's your wild accusation/generalization that tends to rub people the wrong way. Have a little self reflection.

And please don't bring gender into it, you're gonna get those same reactions whether you're male or female. In fact, I have tried to restrain myself a little after I learned you're a lady.
 
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