Ukrainian War Developments

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Helius

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It's an NLAW
You did see the pop like propulsion, the second stage didn't go off because the target was too close.
Firing an single stage missile indoors is very loud and a bad idea.
It could just as well be a SMAW. The 80mm HEDP rocket looks almost identical to the larger NLAW one.

The US has shipped a bunch of them in addition to Javelins and Stingers. Quite a few have been captured, of course -

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Note that another man, I presume, insists on having the last word, of course.
Then let them! What are you, 12?! There're 7 billion people on this Earth, you gonna fight everybody who talks to you wrong?

Don't get goaded into ceaseless, back-and-forth bickering. Let them live in their own smug ignorance as you seem to think they do.

Be content with your own impeccable moral righteousness that these characters are beneath you, that their trite, self-indulgent and intellectually vacuous twaddle is not worth one ounce of your energy, and move on.

How about some thoughts and analysis on military tactics on both Russian and Ukrainian sides, some insights on where this war might go for either side from you instead?

Someone's got to stop. Be the bigger man, take the high horse or the high road.
Here's where I shall take my own advice. I sincerely hope you would, too.
 

Weaasel

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"Circular defence" - hard to be another shape when you are surrounded.
From many different sources of evidence and information, including photos, videos, and testimonies, the Russians are in most parts and control most parts of the city. There is hardly any major organized resistance. The Ukrainian Government is just trying to continue to keep the embers of almost certainly futile hope...
 

Chilled_k6

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No. Troops would need time to regroup. But it would definitely free massive number of troops in region.
I thinks it's been established the Ukrainians have about 14, 15k troops in Mariupol. Maybe a bit less if not all elements of the brigades are present. In one of his videos Alex Mercouris made a good point that the Russians most likely have a 2 to 1 ratio for a siege. That's potentially upwards to 30k troops or more tied down. Let's say Ukraine is on the lower end of troop numbers that's still something close to 20k for Russia. Seeing DPR troops, Chechens, naval infantry, 8th CAA all involved that's a lot of assets tied down in what is now essentially a done deal.
 

Sardaukar20

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This kinda makes me think that Ukrainian itself forget that their country have a mature defense industry. Other than weird comparison of ATGM factory vs Tank Factory... One probably better compare UVZ with Malshayev or maybe current Lima tank plant. While Javelin production rate can be better compared with KTRV's production rate if any.

But i guess the intent is not to make a proper comparison but more like insulting.

Yes. This I agree. Prior to the 2014 Euromaidan. Ukraine had a serious defence industry. They've exported T-80 tanks, engines, turbines, small arms, and even planes. The T-84 tank was a highlight product of their Malyshev tank plant. Antonov was producing An-124s for orders from Russia. Granted that these were not cutting edge weapons, but Ukraine had a defense industry. Since 2014, they have almost ceased to exist.

Since 2014, Ukraine had to rely on arms imports from the West. If they had more money, or had they joined NATO. Ukraine would have to bought F-16s, Leopard 2s etc. That is what the West did to Ukraine and all of the other former Warsaw countries who joined NATO and EU. Neo-colonization. Dismantle and asset-strip their industries. Then have them heavily reliant on Western corporations for their commercial and defense needs.

NATO Standardisation Agreements of a new member is a godsend to Western defense corporations. There are so many large orders to fulfil. That's why they West loves to expand NATO.
 
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enroger

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It could just as well be a SMAW. The 80mm HEDP rocket looks almost identical to the larger NLAW one.

The US has shipped a bunch of them in addition to Javelins and Stingers. Quite a few have been captured, of course -

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Then let them! What are you, 12?! There're 7 billion people on this Earth, you gonna fight everybody who talks to you wrong?

Don't get goaded into ceaseless, back-and-forth bickering. Let them live in their own smug ignorance as you seem to think they do.

Be content with your own impeccable moral righteousness that these characters are beneath you, that their trite, self-indulgent and intellectually vacuous twaddle is not worth one ounce of your energy, and move on.

How about some thoughts and analysis on military tactics on both Russian and Ukrainian sides, some insights on where this war might go for either side from you instead?


Here's where I shall take my own advice. I sincerely hope you would, too.

The video was cut short while the tank seems to keep rolling on, so we don't really know what's the effect of it, did it detonate and penetrated top armor or did it not detonated?

I guess it doesn't really matter what type of weapon it is, the fact that this happened showed how dangerous it is for tank in close quarter environment, and where is the infantry screening the tank?
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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It could just as well be a SMAW. The 80mm HEDP rocket looks almost identical to the larger NLAW one.

The US has shipped a bunch of them in addition to Javelins and Stingers. Quite a few have been captured, of course -

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I'd have to disagree on this one. Below are all of the different types of smaw rockets:
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That rocket projectile in the video clearly has different colored components and less obvious fins.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Another Russian made YMaM naval mine has been found outside of Ukraines littoral waters; this time off the coast of Romania; where it was subsequently demolished by a Romanian EOD diver.

This is the second YMaM that has left the Ukrainian operational area; last week another YMaM had drifted near the entrance of the Bosphorus strait where it was subsequently demolished by Turkish special forces. Which resulted in the strait being closed to all outbound traffic for several hours.

[Photos from the Romanian EOD team]
Just to clarify, it is a russian mine that drifted to Romania, or an ukrainan mine ?


The newspapers use the cunning strategy of using "Soviet Union = Russia , unless it is benefiting the propagande, then CCCP=Ukraine".
 

Anlsvrthng

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Both the Russians and Ukraines still use YMAM and YARM naval mines; it’s unclear which side they belong too and both the Ukrainians and the Russians blame each other for their employment. We probably will never know for sure but I wouldn’t discredit them being of Russian origin.

Either way their employment is due to ongoing hostilities between both countries and is a direct result of a Russian invasion of the Ukraine; this is going to a present a problem for Black Sea states for months if not years to come.
Of course, the Ukrainans has lot of naval ships, exactly zero, so the Russians needs to keep at bay those ships with naval mines.


Why should The Russians mine the sea ?
 

Helius

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The video was cut short while the tank seems to keep rolling on, so we don't really know what's the effect of it, did it detonate and penetrated top armor or did it not detonated?

I guess it doesn't really matter what type of weapon it is, the fact that this happened showed how dangerous it is for tank in close quarter environment, and where is the infantry screening the tank?
From what I could discern the round disintegrated on impact, and the tank kept rolling, didn't react at all.

Although the warhead might have actually penetrated when you can just about make out the fire and smoke that are spewing from underneath the turret -

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