Ukrainian War Developments

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Coalescence

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Militarily useless but cruel actions are very bad not only for the victims but for the perpetrators, if they lose. Meanwhile they contribute nothing to the win.
Indeed, and I think the Azov is not doing any favor to themselves, and worse is they managed to destroy a lot of the former sympathies the anti-war Russians have, feeding Putin's narrative that the Ukrainian military is filled with Nazis. In contrast to the propaganda the Russian side is publishing (except the Chenchens), they kept the pictures and videos of Ukrainian soldier's death at minimum, and constantly push out videos of Russian soldiers providing humanitarian aid and being greeted as liberators. If this continues, Russia might succeed to a certain degree in convincing the Ukrainian population that they are liberators, while Ukraine will be giving a harder time for the West to paint them as "freedom and democracy fighters" (We can see those redditors apologizing for their war crimes now)
 

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Does any one has some data on an alleged UkAF su27 shoot down?. I saw a video on Twitter of a burning wreckaged but it was too distant to make any conclusion.
 

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Can everyone please start another thread for this off topic. detailing your thoughts on this thread is useless. you’re not making anyone see your point on view and people are more entrenched than before.

be considerate and don’t get this thread shut down. I came here to read about the progress of the war, not to debate ethics. I don’t give a damn what you guys think about principles.

unless it’s a picture of Russian advance/Ukraine counter attack or another oil depot being bombed, or chechens, take it somewhere else!
It's a multitude of users. They all need to cool down and think before they act. This forum isn't their credit score for f**k sake.
Indeed, and I think the Azov is not doing any favor to themselves, and worse is they managed to destroy a lot of the former sympathies the anti-war Russians have, feeding Putin's narrative that the Ukrainian military is filled with Nazis. In contrast to the propaganda the Russian side is publishing (except the Chenchens), they kept the pictures and videos of Ukrainian soldier's death at minimum, and constantly push out videos of Russian soldiers providing humanitarian aid and being greeted as liberators. If this continues, Russia might succeed to a certain degree in convincing the Ukrainian population that they are liberators, while Ukraine will be giving a harder time for the West to paint them as "freedom and democracy fighters" (We can see those redditors apologizing for their war crimes now)
Aside from that, we saw videos of Ukranian troops using civilian buildings and people as shields for their military personal. Eventually, they'll become the enemy of the people.
 
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Jingle Bells

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Stop putting words into my mouth. To put it more bluntly, stop LYING about what I write.
Can you QUOTE what you claim that I write?

As I recall, another writer recently complained about being apparently attacked for allegedly being 'anti-China'
(or whatever) simply because he does not swallow all the breathless pro-Russian propaganda that many here spew.

I suspect that I know more than you from personal experience and study about Russian history and culture, which has
many facets good, bad, and in between. When I was there, none of my Russian friends was as pathetically credulous
as many writers here in believing everything that Russia's government claimed.

You have shown that you are fanatically close-minded and deeply intellectually dishonest.
I am very different from the object of hate that you fantasize that I must be.
But I really could not care less about you think because I regard you with absolute disdain.

I would like to see a reunification, preferably peaceful, of China. But if it means that Taiwan's people must be dominated
by a people who proudly believe that 'Might makes right' and would employ every means to crush their resistance,
then I may reconsider. When, if ever, is a political abstraction more important than many human lives?

If Germany and Austria can co-exist as independent countries (both speaking German), then China and Taiwan can too.
Mind you, I would prefer a reunification, but if it does not happen, then it should not be the end of the world.

When paranoid nationalistic Chinese--if that's what you are--treat China's sympathizers in general as their enemies,
they deserve to have far fewer friends.

Mainland and Taiwan probably can, they pretty much coexisted quite well until now. The main problem of co-existence of Mainland-Taiwan has nothing to do with anything you're saying. It has to do with the fact that the current structure of Mainland-Taiwan's socio-economic interdependency is rooted upon the US-led global order and international division of labor. It has nothing to do with this "chauvinism-vs-feminism" rhetoric i presume you've gotten onto.

However, we all know that such US-led global order is NOT sustainable. Because the US is benefitting less and less from this order which she has to put resources into maintaining, and at the same time, China's development pressure gives her less and less room to hand over profits and market shares of certain key (high value-added) industrial specializations to outside parties like Taiwan. This implies that both China and the US are become less and less interested in maintaining a good Taiwan-Mainland co-existing relations.

This is very very different from the Germany and Austria, which are not only both of the same economic block (EU), but also has pretty much the same level of economic development. Taiwan is pretty much a developed society, so their industry is only going down hill from here. Mainland China is still developing, she has a lot more potential areas and markets to advance and expend into. Germany and Austria can have a pretty good division of labor that could have them developing at the same time.

For Mainland-Taiwan, the state of things will be more and more Taiwanese industry losing market shares to mainland's industry, until they have no room but to integrate. At that point, it will be like the US will NO LONGER have command over Taiwanese industries, and can NO LONGER force them to stop supplying components to Mainland companies.

This is not unlike Ukraine's economic problem. Ukrainian industries has very little (almost none) high end manufacturing product (final and semi-final product) that is integrated with the EU's economy. They are integrated with Russia:
1. their nuclear power stations uses Russian standards and can only accept Russian standard fuel rods.
2. their arms industry are pretty much entirely USSR/Russian standard, they can ONLY sell to countries which continues to use Russia standard systems.
3. their industrial structure was design to be part of the greater Russian/USSR/Russo-sphere industrial complex.
......the list goes on

If the EU was proactively wanting to integrate Ukraine, they could have went ahead with many collaboration project with Ukraine, for example, in their navy shipbuilding, aircrafts, armor vehicle, etc. Yet we see almost no such projects.
Couldn't one of the EU countries make a version of their multi-national frigate together with Ukraine equipped with Ukrainian sub-systems and engines? If Germany and France can make collaboration project like the MGCS (Main Ground Combat System) tanks, couldn't they try to do similar things with Ukrainian flagship military products? It doesn't even have to sell, but the act of integration is at least a genuine gesture of intention to integrate.

Okey, Everyone, I will stop posting any new posts with the word "TAIWAN" in it.
 
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Latest update from Major General Mick Ryan:

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Quote from the article:

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It is a region that is no stranger to war. In the second half of 1943, a massive Soviet Army swept across the eastern parts of Ukraine from their starting points in Western Russia. Part of this campaign was a battle in the Donbas region that saw 1 million Soviet soldiers battling 400,000 Germans. Over five weeks, the Soviets lost nearly a quarter of their men killed and wounded.

The Nazis made the Russians pay for every kilometre gained.

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So... are the Ukrainians the Nazis then?
 

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Quote from the article:

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It is a region that is no stranger to war. In the second half of 1943, a massive Soviet Army swept across the eastern parts of Ukraine from their starting points in Western Russia. Part of this campaign was a battle in the Donbas region that saw 1 million Soviet soldiers battling 400,000 Germans. Over five weeks, the Soviets lost nearly a quarter of their men killed and wounded.

The Nazis made the Russians pay for every kilometre gained.

"

So... are the Ukrainians the Nazis then?
There's an "always have been" joke there, I think.
 

Lapin

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If you think the Ukraine coup in 2014 was illegal, I don't understand why you'd think that was absurd. If a regime is illegal, all subsequent actions it performs are illegal. It needs to be removed and democratic order restored. The people responsible and its enablers brought to justice, followed by denazification of the population that had been held hostage, because of Stockholm syndrome.

Not like the Cultural revolution, that was a completely different situation. The model used in South Vietnam would be more appropriate.
"If a regime is illegal, all subsequent actions it performs are illegal."

Ukraine's election in 2019 should supersede what happened in 2014.

Russia violated international law by seizing Crimea. Russia then held a plebiscite in which a majority voted
(allegedly under duress) to approve of Crimea becoming a part of Russia. Thus Russia argued that its
annexation of Crimea was legal ex post facto. Western critics of Russia argue that since the initial invasion
was illegal, any subsequent plebiscite must be illegal as well.

It's extremely condescending to imply that most Ukrainians are so benighted that they cannot know what's
in their best interests when they vote for a government, so they need occupying Russian soldiers to teach them.
 
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