Ukrainian War Developments

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gelgoog

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The USSR copied whatever worked well enough. But Russia is not the USSR.
The USSR did licensed production of a lot of things. Like the Vickers tank, or the Christie tank, or the DC-3.
Russia did try to buy the Mistral from France. But after that disaster I don't think they want to buy foreign weapons again.
They did get some Israeli drones.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Many Chinese here apparently believe that Russia is ready to accept being a 'junior partner' to China.
In my view, the Russians are a proud people and not ready to accept that.

The USSR attempted to copy few foreign weapons, with the notable exception of the Boeing B-29 becoming
the Tupolev Tu-4 (which was not an exact copy, contrary to what some websites in English claim).
they don't need to be junior partners. they can be equals. but equals means mutual respect.

China doesn't even treat North Korea as a junior partner. When Kim Il Sung asked PVA to leave North Korea, PVA left North Korea without question.
 

enroger

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Your sneering has been noted again. You seem to find it incomprehensible that some other people may take
the moral consequences of war more seriously than you do.

That is perfectly comprehensible. I just object to someone trying to make me take their side and if I don't then I must be close minded or brainwashed or something.

I do feel for Ukrainian civilians that got caught up in this mess, however that empathy has been diluted from decades of other wars and millions of civilians perished in them. A man has only so much empathy to give and now I can only look at wars with an objective lens, especially ones that does not occur near my country. This is something you can't seem to comprehend, must I kneel down and weep for Ukraine to satisfy your requirement of empathy?

However with respect to Azov the actual nazi in Ukraine I'm going to cheer for their destruction if you don't mind. And you do mind feel free to ignore me or block my comment
 

Lapin

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War brings out the worst in people. War not only draws lines between "us" and "them" but extinguishes all standards of civil conduct and subordinates our own morality and standards of personal conduct to the hive mind of the tribe. I am disappointed by many of the posts in this thread too, but there are also many posts that are useful and thoughtful. Unfortunately, it is probably not possible to cleanly separate one from the other with fairness and consistency.

All I can advise is to use the block feature, the report button, and to take refuge in the gentle and beautiful things in this world. I am playing Kirby and the Forgotten Land on the Nintendo Switch.
Thanks for your advice. Virginia Woolf could have spoken for me:
"As a woman, I have no country. As a woman, I want no country. As a woman, my country is the whole world.”
--Virginia Woolf

During the First World War, Bertrand Russell (in the UK) sometimes wrote (via Switzerland) to his friend,
Ludwig Wittgenstein, an officer in the Austro-Hungarian Army. Many Britons would have found it hard
to understand that one of the persons about whom Russell cared the most was his country's enemy.

I may be too idealistic (or naive), but I hope that love and friendship can transcend the barriers of war.
I personally cannot imagine being as ruthlessly cruel as some people here say that they would be.
 

Lapin

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they don't need to be junior partners. they can be equals. but equals means mutual respect.

China doesn't even treat North Korea as a junior partner. When Kim Il Sung asked PVA to leave North Korea, PVA left North Korea without question.
What I meant is that Russians would feel humiliated if they had to import major Chinese arms now.
I am not saying that it's right or wrong; it's just how Russians would feel now.

I think that, in the field of combat aircraft, China's at least as advanced as Russia in everything except engines.
But Russia has not yet been interested in acquiring Chinese technology.
 

Strangelove

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LOL!!.... A bit late now. These mentally slow morons from the EU regime are entertaining.

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The Ukrainian crisis and the West’s reaction to could “push” Russia towards China, the EU’s foreign-policy chief Josep Borrell warned during the opening session of the Doha Forum on Saturday.

Doing so could lead to the creation of a major rift between the global north and south, the diplomat said, stressing that such a scenario should be avoided.

“One of the bad consequences of what’s happening is that we can push Russia to China, and we can create a division between the global southeast and the global northwest,” Borrell stated.

First of all, the West should ramp up its efforts to end the Ukrainian conflict in order to avoid the emergence of such a global rift, he explained, describing Russia’s ongoing offensive in Ukraine as a “war of attrition.”

“In order to avoid this trend, the first thing to do is to stop this war of aggression, war of attrition today,”
the diplomat said, outlining the West’s strategy as a mix of military aid to Ukraine and anti-Russian sanctions.

And what we’re doing to support Ukraine, also by military means, without escalation, without horizontal or vertical escalation, that could bring [us] to a bigger conflict and try to put pressure on Russia by all our capacities in order to make it to pay the price for it.
The diplomat did not elaborate on how such a strategy would help to avoid “pushing” Russia into China’s arms. Since the beginning of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Beijing has taken a neutral stance, urging all parties to stick to diplomacy, calling upon the West to address Russia’s longstanding security concerns and opposing unilateral anti-Russian sanctions.

China’s stance has been interpreted by the West as pro-Russian, with the US-led NATO bloc openly urging Beijing to “to abstain from supporting Russia’s war effort in any way, and to refrain from any action that helps Russia circumvent sanctions,” as well as accusing it of providing Moscow “with political support, including by spreading blatant lies and misinformation.”

Beijing, however, has refused to bow to such demands, pointing to NATO’s continued expansion into Eastern Europe as a key factor behind the current conflict, as well as citing the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the 1999 Yugoslavia attack as one reason it won’t listen to a “lecture on justice from the abuser of international law.”

Russia attacked Ukraine in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements and Russia’s recognition of the Donbass republics with capitals in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join NATO. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked, denying claims it was planning to retake the Donbass republics by force.
 

Lapin

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That is perfectly comprehensible. I just object to someone trying to make me take their side and if I don't then I must be close minded or brainwashed or something.

I do feel for Ukrainian civilians that got caught up in this mess, however that empathy has been diluted from decades of other wars and millions of civilians perished in them. A man has only so much empathy to give and now I can only look at wars with an objective lens, especially ones that does not occur near my country. This is something you can't seem to comprehend, must I kneel down and weep for Ukraine to satisfy your requirement of empathy?

However with respect to Azov the actual nazi in Ukraine I'm going to cheer for their destruction if you don't mind. And you do mind feel free to ignore me or block my comment
"This is something you can't seem to comprehend, must I kneel down and weep for Ukraine to satisfy your requirement of empathy?"

No. Indeed, I am disgusted by the many Westerners whose tears flow easily for Ukrainians (or white Europeans) while they
shrug off any news of much longer or greater suffering by non-white peoples, often at the hands of Western imperialism.
 

Overbom

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LOL!!.... A bit late now. These mentally slow morons from the EU regime are entertaining.

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The Ukrainian crisis and the West’s reaction to could “push” Russia towards China, the EU’s foreign-policy chief Josep Borrell warned during the opening session of the Doha Forum on Saturday.

Doing so could lead to the creation of a major rift between the global north and south, the diplomat said, stressing that such a scenario should be avoided.

“One of the bad consequences of what’s happening is that we can push Russia to China, and we can create a division between the global southeast and the global northwest,” Borrell stated.

First of all, the West should ramp up its efforts to end the Ukrainian conflict in order to avoid the emergence of such a global rift, he explained, describing Russia’s ongoing offensive in Ukraine as a “war of attrition.”

“In order to avoid this trend, the first thing to do is to stop this war of aggression, war of attrition today,”
the diplomat said, outlining the West’s strategy as a mix of military aid to Ukraine and anti-Russian sanctions.


The diplomat did not elaborate on how such a strategy would help to avoid “pushing” Russia into China’s arms. Since the beginning of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Beijing has taken a neutral stance, urging all parties to stick to diplomacy, calling upon the West to address Russia’s longstanding security concerns and opposing unilateral anti-Russian sanctions.

China’s stance has been interpreted by the West as pro-Russian, with the US-led NATO bloc openly urging Beijing to “to abstain from supporting Russia’s war effort in any way, and to refrain from any action that helps Russia circumvent sanctions,” as well as accusing it of providing Moscow “with political support, including by spreading blatant lies and misinformation.”

Beijing, however, has refused to bow to such demands, pointing to NATO’s continued expansion into Eastern Europe as a key factor behind the current conflict, as well as citing the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the 1999 Yugoslavia attack as one reason it won’t listen to a “lecture on justice from the abuser of international law.”

Russia attacked Ukraine in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Kiev’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements and Russia’s recognition of the Donbass republics with capitals in Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.

Russia has demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join NATO. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked, denying claims it was planning to retake the Donbass republics by force.
That Borrell guy must the biggest idiot I have ever seen lol.

"We do all this stuff against Russia but we don't want to push Russia to China's camp" lol. Can we give him a Darwin award already?
 
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