Ukrainian War Developments

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Sardaukar20 said:
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Ukrainian An-124 apparently flying from Turkey to Zheshov, Poland with a new supply of Bayraktar TB2 drones. The plane was obviously not given permission to fly through Hungary. Those brand new Bayraktars are going to be used to kill more Russian troops. Why does Putin still count Turkey among those 'friendly countries'? If Turkey was truly friendly, it could halt the supply of TB2 drones to Ukraine, even if there is a contract to fulfil. Russia did that with its S-300 sale to Syria and Iran under pressure from the West. France canceled the delivery of Mistrals to Russia after US-EU pressure.

Just because Erdogan wouldn't join Western sanctions on Russia, why does that make Turkey a 'friendly' country? Erdogan shows a friendly face to Putin on one side. Then on the other side, continues to supply TB2 drones to Ukraine. Is Putin really that desperate for friends? Who needs friends like Erdogan?
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This would explain why we don't see that much super duper Bayraktar footage anymore.

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I had thought more personnel would have been killed. How did they get the numbers I wonder and is it reliably sourced?
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
Common interest up to what point? Russian MOD had reported that Ukraine has only 1 TB2 left. When the new batch of TB2s delivered to Ukraine starts killing more Russian troops. How the Russian MOD and Putin are gonna explain that?

If Erdogan does something to Russia in Syria. Turkey will be in serious trouble. Turkey is still trading with Russia. And so is the EU still buying gas from Russia.

Germany supplies weapons to Ukraine. Its an 'unfriendly country'. Turkey supplies TB2s to Ukraine. Its a 'friendly' country. The only difference between them is sanctions. But both are still supplying weapons to kill Russian troops. Is money more important than Russian lives?
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If Russia backed out form sign contracts does not mean Turkey has to do the same. Turkey want to prove this thing that it has graduated from shadows of Germany. Turkey can buy Gas from Iran but India/ Germany cannot buy same gas from Iran. similar position with S400.
Turkey is the peace partner of Russia in Syria and Libya. same thing can happen in Ukriane. as Turkey strength grows relative to Germany. Turkey will able to convince Ukraine for settlement.
 
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If they wanted to really do that Ukraine should have accepted the Minsk agreements. It would have settled the situation in the Donbass and Crimea could have been taken care of later. But the Ukrainians thought Russia was a pushover. So they got this situation. I think they will be lucky if they lose only the Donbass and Crimea. I doubt they will get the Kherson Oblast back for one.
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Well according to the Ukrainian advisor, this was their plan to goad Russia into fight an expensive war and lose. Then become a liberal pro West country. Now I hope that part isn’t true. I don’t think Russia will lose especially since NATO isn’t coming to the Ukrainian rescue. but I wonder if their breaking the Minsk agreement was their plan all along and get Russia into a war
 
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Ukraine does not need to join NATO. It is quite enough to conclude a pact with other non-NATO countries in order to protect oneself from Russian influence and NATO influence (and Chinese influence in the future).
 
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I don't think Ukraine is trying to develop a WMDs like Nuclear or Biological weapons that has been constantly push by Pro-Russian sources in various media

I find it pretty odd...
 
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MortyandRick said:
Well according to the Ukrainian advisor, this was their plan to goad Russia into fight an expensive war and lose. Then become a liberal pro West country. Now I hope that part isn’t true. I don’t think Russia will lose especially since NATO isn’t coming to the Ukrainian rescue. but I wonder if their breaking the Minsk agreement was their plan all along and get Russia into a war
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One thing I can think of was how adamant they were against NS-2, for obvious reason once NS-2 is in operation Ukraine would be completely sidelined in the gas trade and become further more irrelevant between Russia and Europe. And before this war it seems the deal is all but certain to go through, nothing US and Ukraine can do to deter it.

It sure as hell is expensive in terms of Ukrainian life and sovereignty but it is one way to do it I guess....
 
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Intrepid said:
How many TB2 are delivered per month? It's a consumable weapon that you have to constantly replenish like missiles or grenades, etc.
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I don't know. Go and ask Turkey or Ukraine this question. Plus TB2 is not a consumable, single-use drone if you care to do some reading. It carries and releases munitions. And yes, those munitions need to be replenished by Turkey.
 
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