Ukrainian War Developments

JebKerman said:

Bosnia, Serbia/Kosovo, Afganistan, Libya

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Refresh my memory. Which of those countries did NATO absorb into itself? You might also want to look into HOW NATO came to be involved in those actions. I know, details, details, and they might not tell the tale you prefer so. . .

Insignius said:

Russian state media has released footages of their strike against that Hypermart in Kiev; what is visible is that MRLS launchers have been supplied by the ammo storages inside that building. This has warranted a Iskander strike. The (secondary ammo) explosion tho...

They dub this "The P*nis of Kyyyiiv"

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I'm getting motion sickness watching that. They need to work on their image stabilization.

More about the Retroville strike.
Looks like another case of "Killed by reddit/social media"

Weaasel said:

My prediction is that Ukraine will be neutral, Finland and Sweden will not join NATO, but there will be heightened tensions and deterioration of relations with Russia for decades to come. However, many will also say it was a mistake to ever court Ukraine to join NATO and will blame the Obama Administration for fomenting conflict in Ukraine through its successful coup plotting against Yanukovych... This war is just a continuation of the war that began in 2014 after Yanukovych's predominantly US backed overthrow...

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Public opinion in Sweden currently favors NATO membership and is growing (actually a major historical shift).
If the liberal-conservatives wins the next election they have said they will ask to join.
The current Swedish government is a minority lead one by the Socialdemocrats and might feel pressured to take the same position.
Finland will likely join if and when Sweden does (less risky for both to do it at the same time).

Both countries will eventually join NATO in my opinion. The only question is when.

Michaelsinodef said:

He's just gonna begin spinning how they were 'interventions' and had complicated reasons etc.

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sferrin said:

Refresh my memory. Which of those countries did NATO absorb into itself? You might also want to look into HOW NATO came to be involved in those actions. I know, details, details, and they might not tell the tale you prefer so. . .

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@Michaelsinodef you predicted the future sir!

Deterrence doesnt work if your enemies are delusional and think you are weak and losing while you are actually winning.
This is the sad truth.

Russia and China need to deter the western elites themselves with targeted strikes against their mansions and off-shore refuges. Deterring them with population center strikes doesnt seem to work, if they lie to themselves that you are somehow too poor to afford missiles.

sferrin said:

Refresh my memory. Which of those countries did NATO absorb into itself? You might also want to look into HOW NATO came to be involved in those actions. I know, details, details, and they might not tell the tale you prefer so. . .

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OMG here comes the Annexator in Chief again who proudly boast about his roots from the United Snakes of Annexation!

Let me see, did the armed forces of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan attacked the US or NATO to warrant a military intervention? No? I thought so. You just love to peddle Lies, Lies and More Lies from the Empire of Lies.

ArmchairAnalyst said:

Finland will likely join if and when Sweden does (less risky for both to do it at the same time).

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I wouldn't be so sure. Unlike Sweden. Finland doesn't suffer from centuries old Russia deranged syndrome.

ArmchairAnalyst said:

Public opinion in Sweden currently favors NATO membership and is growing.
If the liberal-conservatives wins the next election they have said they will ask to join.
The current Swedish government is a minority lead one by the Socialdemocrats and might feel pressured to take the same position.
Finland will likely join if and when Sweden does (less risky for both to do it at the same time).

Both countries will eventually join NATO in my opinion. The only question is when.

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If that is the case they were probably looking a pretext to join NATO, rather than just looking at the crisis as a result of predominant US-Russian geopolitical rivalry and a desire of the US to have Ukraine join NATO... Leaders of such countries should be much better informed and wiser than the sentiments of their populations on such vitally important issues... Look, a much increased percentage of the US population than before feel that the United States should intervene directly in the war... It is possible that the majority of the population might believe that it should intervene directly in the war...

Should President Biden listen to that sentiment if it were put up to a vote and the majority of them felt that way and then World War 3 and nuclear holocausts resulted just for the sake of non-NATO Ukraine when the American elites know full well that Russia would likely act as it did if it had a hostile government in a strategically and historically extremely important country to it that seeks to join a block that is hostile to Russia? HELL NO!!!

Intrepid said:

Because NATO has so far managed to prevent a war between Greece and Turkey. Why shouldn't that also work with Armenia?

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Now that I think of it, Turkey has gone rogue too many times to trust them (If I was Armenian)
- Attack of Greek Cyprus
- Attack of nominally US-allied Kurds in Syria
- Support of Azerbaijan
NATO/US alliance has done nothing in these cases.

Ultimately NATO is serving primarily US interests first, then Western Europe second. All those Eastern Europe countries being part of NATO is essentially serving as a buffer so the fight doesn't have to start in Germany anymore.