With this the Ukrainian battlefield is becoming increasingly more and more dangerous for even the most advanced Russian armored vehicles
Ukrainian War Developments
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Russian Naval Infantry disembarking armored vehicles from BDK Orsk in Berdyansk, Ukraine.
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So now the goalpost has shifted. First, it was "Who did NATO ever attack??" And then when that list came out, it was, "OK, yeah, those countries, but who did NATO absorb??" What's the point of this question? It's OK to attack someone but not OK to absorb them? That's where your moral line lies? How about returning every land that the US absorbed in becoming a country?
So how did NATO come to be involved? Did they attack NATO first or did NATO decide that something going on in another country was terrible and that NATO's principles apply to that sovereign nation too, for some reason? Cus the Russians say they're fighting because they can't tolerate Nazism taking over Ukraine and that's at least as good as anything NATO/the US has ever come up with.
Actually because of what is happening in Ukraine and not (that much) as a pretext.
Both countries won't join on a wimp and have been analysing pros and cons of NATO membership for decades upon decades. But the geopolicital realities have changed and might require a fast and even unpleasant decision sooner than never.
And informed public opinion still matters in representative democracies opposed to the U.S. which isn't exactly the epitome of such
Perhaps Russians should depose Putin, put the CIA lackey Navalny in charge and join NATO .Russias security interests would be taken care of
There was, though not openly in Finland for obviously reasons with their Soviet overlords watching them closely.
Finland couldn't join then and Sweden didn't need to and didn't want to with neutrality serving them very well through two world wars.
Informed or uninformed public opinion doesn't matter when you have nuclear bombs detonated on top of your house. And after that you also have radiation.And informed public opinion still matters in representative democracies opposed to the U.S. which isn't exactly the epitome of such
So, freedom/democracy/sovereignty doesn't matter if Putin says to them don't join NATO. They can either hold their noses and keep things the same, or get obliterated. See? Who said Putin is a dictator, he even gives them a choice:
"Choose between life or death"
I actually think it will be the other way round.
The harder and more decisive Russia wins in Ukraine the more likely they will both find it nessesary to join NATO.
If Russia actually lost, stalemated or just achieved a pyrrhic victory they would likely see no need to join anytime soon.
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