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ZeEa5KPul

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So far, the only responses I got are basically all pride related.
No, actually, they're very strategic. If China rolls over and does what it's told, then it'll invite further bullying in the future. Act like a doormat and people will wipe the soles of their shoes on you.

If they didn't want China to aid Russia militarily, they could have kept their concerns private or better yet kept their mouths shut. Now that they've made their demands public, all China can give them in return is the old one-finger salute.
China did not export J-7s to North Korea in the 2000s
These aren't the 2000s.
You may want to tell millions of Chinese workers that depend on European export that the days of trading with Europe is over and see how that goes.
China could launch an ICBM at a European city and the trade wouldn't go down a single penny. That's how dependent Europe is on China. And how dependent the US is, for that matter.
 

james smith esq

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Oh, I see it’s an exclusive conversation! No (N)Uyghurs allowed!

But we all know, now, the secret to Taiwan’s independence, now; if Europe demands Taiwanese independence, China must accommodate, or risk millions of Chinese jobs! That solves the US‘s conundrum!
 
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Yet, they cooperate with Europeans on very high amount of trading that helps with the Chinese economy. You may want to tell millions of Chinese workers that depend on European export that the days of trading with Europe is over and see how that goes.
It would be bad for the exporters but the Europeans would have to go back to living in caves.

Answer this. Do you think Biden will stop if Xi agreed to not sell weapons to Russia? He will just move on to the next thing he wants and threaten the exact same thing.
 

gelgoog

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From what I understand they are allowing Russia to use its "frozen" foreign currency reserves to payback debt to Western financial institutions.
If they did not do this you would probably see a Western financial crash bigger than after Lehman.
 

tphuang

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No, actually, they're very strategic. If China rolls over and does what it's told, then it'll invite further bullying in the future. Act like a doormat and people will wipe the soles of their shoes on you.

If they didn't want China to aid Russia militarily, they could have kept their concerns private or better yet kept their mouths shut. Now that they've made their demands public, all China can give them in return is the old one-finger salute.
hmm, China did not sell J-7s to North Korea due to South Korean concerns. Has South Korea been wiping the soles of its shoes on China?

China also does not sell weapons to Iran due to US concerns.

Not selling weapons to a country over another country's concerns is very normal.

China could launch an ICBM at a European city and the trade wouldn't go down a single penny. That's how dependent Europe is on China. And how dependent the US is, for that matter.
You have to stop writing ridiculous comments like that

It would be bad for the exporters but the Europeans would have to go back to living in caves.

Answer this. Do you think Biden will stop if Xi agreed to not sell weapons to Russia? He will just move on to the next thing he wants and threaten the exact same thing.
Have you looked a Biden's poll numbers? Do you really think he wants more inflation and economic pains?
More than anything, this is about the Europeans. You have a working relationship with them.

What are you getting from the Russians? If Putin loses power in Russia, what is China left with after spending all their political capitals on him?

What does China get from sending military equipment to Russia? You can keep providing support to Russia that does not have anything to do with military.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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hmm, China did not sell J-7s to North Korea due to South Korean concerns. Has South Korea been wiping the soles of its shoes on China?
Given that South Korea deployed THAAD - completely disregarding China's concerns - I'd say that yes, South Korea has been wiping the soles of its shoes on China and when its time comes it should be punished for that. Where was South Korea's consideration for China then? You see what I mean about acting like a doormat?

China has other priorities at the moment, namely its own economic and military development, but the day will come when that is more or less done and when it is, the people who wronged it will pay dearly. Just like they have throughout China's history:
You have to stop writing ridiculous comments like that
Exaggeration for humorous effect is far less ridiculous than advocating Chinese servility.
 

solarz

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Yet, they cooperate with Europeans on very high amount of trading that helps with the Chinese economy. You may want to tell millions of Chinese workers that depend on European export that the days of trading with Europe is over and see how that goes.

Weren't you the one saying trade benefits both parties? Changing your tune now?

Since when is ending trade with Europe on the table? China hasn't even ended trade with the US despite the trade wars.

Let's see you offer something of actual substance.
 

james smith esq

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But not selling weapons to Taiwan over China’s concerns is what...?

Some folks get used to being 2d class and there’s no way of changing that! These are the slaves that warn their masters of a coming slave uprising! Kind of like “Battered Woman Syndrome“!

As Malcom X said: the first to die in any real revolution are the Uncle Toms!

No wonder Xi wants to stay in power during this critical-period; he could be replaced by an appeaser!
 
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zgx09t

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Not selling weapons to a country over another country's concerns is very normal.

That assumption doesn't apply to US though.
Arms sales are part and parcel of American foreign policy and statecraft. It would sell or provide weapons to parties in a lot of either low level ethnic conflicts or state level territorial wars - perfect example being current Ukraine war - not to mention the ongoing weapon sales to Taiwan despite Beijing's protests. It requires China to show menacing teeth and sharp claws and start laying down her own rules and laws for a starter. China is no longer a light weight.
Being nice to a bunch of hostile a-holes are pointless unless China gains more, or they cough up a lot of grovelling concessions on a silver platter.
 
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