Ukrainian War Developments

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james smith esq

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That assumption doesn't apply to US though.
Arms sales are part and parcel of American foreign policy and statecraft. It would sell or provide weapons to parties in a lot of either low level ethnic conflicts or state level territorial wars - perfect example being current Ukraine war - not to mention the ongoing weapon sales to Taiwan despite Beijing's protests. It requires China to show menacing teeth and sharp claws and start laying down your own rules and laws for a starter. China is no longer a light weight.
Being nice to a bunch of hostile a-holes are pointless unless China gains more, or they cough up a lot of grovelling concessions on a silver platter.
Precisely! Allowing the US to impose this double-standard upon China is no different than any other Unequal Treaty!

But, hey, we get to keep our Emporer!
 

Abominable

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Have you looked a Biden's poll numbers? Do you really think he wants more inflation and economic pains?
Definitely not. Which is why he should start talking with Putin instead of calling him a war criminal.
More than anything, this is about the Europeans. You have a working relationship with them.


What are you getting from the Russians? If Putin loses power in Russia, what is China left with after spending all their political capitals on him?

What does China get from sending military equipment to Russia? You can keep providing support to Russia that does not have anything to do with military.
Russia is one of China's biggest trade partners, but that's not the point. If Russia fails China is next.

Put it this way, if Putin called Xi and said he urgently needed something, say drones, tanks, whatever. And he says if didn't get them he would would be forced to withdraw. What do you think would happen to Russia?

Beyond that, how would that be seen in Taiwan, Japan, Australia even in India? These aren't private discussions, it is being done out in the open for all to see.

It doesn't just apply to Russia. Either Ukraine or Russia is welcome to make deals with China. This policy lets China help Russia if needed without violating its principle of neutrality.
 

reservior dogs

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Why only think about America? Europe don't look at indo Pacific situation the same way as America, but they have been scared by Russian aggression. Why give up your relationship with Europe so you can sell weapons to Russia. It's beyond silly. All china has to do is not provide military assistance to Russia. Why is it so hard to say we won't do this as long as conflict is going on?
First, at this point the military aid issue is moot. Russia does not need military aid and it is to the advantage of both Russia and China that China do not provide military aid.
The message should be that China has not provided military aid as the Russians have not request it. This is not provocative to Europe, but allow China to preserve the flexibility as well as demonstrate strength. Unless China deliberately provoke Europe, they respect strength. After all, they are willing to sacrifice their self interest in deference to the U.S. because America is strong.
 

Abominable

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First, at this point the military aid issue is moot. Russia does not need military aid and it is to the advantage of both Russia and China that China do not provide military aid.
The message should be that China has not provided military aid as the Russians have not request it. This is not provocative to Europe, but allow China to preserve the flexibility as well as demonstrate strength. Unless China deliberately provoke Europe, they respect strength. After all, they are willing to sacrifice their self interest in deference to the U.S. because America is strong.
Agreed, and discussing hypothetical situations will derail the thread.

Going back on topic, in Mariupol the remnants of Azov battalion have been given the option to have their lives spared if they surrender. Most have been eliminated and the Russians are into the last few districts. It'll free up a lot of units for the main front.

In the circumstances, a city of over 500,000, this is an impressive capture. I thought they could have held out for the duration of the war.
 
Here is the full texts of the Xi-Biden conference from Xinhua agency.

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Some veiled punches to the Biden's face.

About China US relationship
习近平指出,目前,中美关系还没有走出美国上一届政府制造的困境,反而遭遇了越来越多的挑战。特别是美国一些人向“台独”势力发出错误信号,这是十分危险的。台湾问题如果处理不好,将会对两国关系造成颠覆性影响。希望美方予以足够重视。中美关系之所以出现目前的局面,直接原因是,美方一些人没有落实我们两人达成的重要共识,也没有把总统先生的积极表态落到实处。美方对中方的战略意图作出了误读误判。

The direct cause of today's (bad) situation between China and US is because some people in the US administration do not do what you and I agreed, they do not do according to your "positive" expression. The US side has made mistake in understanding China's strategic intentions.


In sarcastic mocking style, China is saying "you are a good guy, you made good promises, your subordinates are bad, they cheated on you, disobeyed you." In straight style, China is saying, you are a liar because it is the whole US side I am blaming that includes you.

About Ukraine,
各方应该共同支持俄乌对话谈判,谈出结果、谈出和平。美国和北约也应该同俄罗斯开展对话,解开乌克兰危机的背后症结,化解俄乌双方的安全忧虑。

US and NATO should also talk to Russia, to solve the truth cause, to address the security concerns of both Russia and Ukraine.


Straight meaning, you are the root cause of the shit storm, deal with it, don't hide behind Ukraine and play dumb.

中国有两句老话,一句是“一个巴掌拍不响”,另一句是“解铃还须系铃人”。
China has two old sayings, "it needs two hands to make clapping sound", "only the one who tied the bell to the tiger should take it off".


Straight meaning, you are responsible for the crisis, don't pretend to be innocent. Your shit, you clean it.
" because some people in the US administration do not do what you and I agreed, they do not do according to your "positive" expression."

Basically Xi calling out Brandon as untrustworthy. Senile at best.

No wonder the whitehouse readout was so short and short on specific and details.
They can then spin this into some imaginary narrative of US talking tough at a position of strength. Let's go Brandon.

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