If they're delusional enough to stick to this demand then there's not going to be any deal. Ukraine will just keep getting pummeled.
Ukrainian War Developments
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Minsk Protocol recognised Ukrainian sovereignty over Donbass, they just had to give them regional autonomy. This is handing them over to Russia.
Zelensky is going to turn into the most hated man in Ukraine if he agrees to this. Even the Minsk agreements were controversial. A significant proportion of the Ukrainian people even want Crimea back.
That's assuming Russia forgets or Ukraine agrees with the other points, demilitarisation and denazification.
Yeah, they're not close to agreeing anything at all.
I remember pictures of soldiers running along "this (?) Autobahn" with its soundproofing wall a few days ago. The problem with these pictures in general is, that we do not know the time it was taken and more important the place. No coordinates, no town or village stated where the incidence occured. I am not sure if it is possible to pose before a tank that you destroyed some minutes / hours (?) before. Because: Where are the Russians? All fled back to Russia or already POW? So maybe this guy is scavenging on someones sucess a few days before. I am just assuming.
With no doubt, the Russian Army had "unexpected" casualties. The Ukrainians must have an excellent staff and communications, if they are still able to collect all the messages from all the battle fronts about the losses of the Russians. Maybe, but who knows?
Counting is always difficult in war. Especially in a media-war.
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Koala
Yes, we all can't wait for Helen Davidson in Taipei to tell us all about China's role.
There's absolutely no way in hell, having sacrificed so much in lives and equipment, that Russian forces will withdraw from their gains in the east and the south. Maybe the north, yes, since the northern front has been a disaster from day 1. But only defeat on the battlefield is going to make the Russians leave Mariupol, Kherson, Melitopol, and so many other places.
I believe that they might, depending on the details of the neutrality agreement.
This conflict started when Yanukovych was ousted through a coup. Even IF the majority of Ukrainians accepted or supported it at the time. It was still a coup. The Maidan Protests were hijacked by Banderites, Svoboda, Neonazis, and other Far Right groups that orchestrated organize violence and violent provocations. Even Western Media sources such as the BBC acknowledge that.
IT WAS A COUP, Western governmemts and Western Main Stream Media will not acknowledge that it was. The United States that the Ukrainian Parliament voted unanimously to impeach Yanukovych. They did not. 328 of 450 deputies did. The rest were not present. And aside from going through a set of judicial procedures, which were not followed, to involuntarily remove a President in Ukraine from from office requires at least 3/4 of parliamentarians to vote for it. That means 338 of them and not 328 of them. The United States immediately endorsed this illegality, claiming it was legal, despite it not being legal.
The coup brought a government that was significant or greatly influenced and dominated at the time by Far Right and anti-Russian. Persons belonging to such parties obtained a quarter of cabinet positions in the immediate post Yanukovych government.
Russia decided to take Crimea because of its strategic importance and because it could no longer assure itself that future governments in power would honour the status of its lease to the base at Sebastopol. Many members of the new government in power had not hidden their intention to eventually terminate the lease that Russia had on the base at Sebastopol much earlier than its signed for date.
Would prefer that Russia gets a land connection to Crimea at minimum and preferably capture all the coast line from Ukraine.
We will see... Russia is going to capture Mariupol, almost certainly so...
Russia, IMO, bit too much when it recognized the Donbass Republics... It should have just asked for the implementation of the Minsk Protocol and stated that its forces would be present in Donbass to ensure that it is implemented... Now, backing down from that will be a major climb down...
The beloved philantropist "Mr. Soros" and his gang financed the "orange Revolution" with 5 Billionen Dollars over a long time. A few years ago this fact was even reported on German TV, when freedom of speech was still granted.
Same story on the Balkan and Belarus. They tried to start the same thing in Hungary, but Mr. Orban threw him out of the country.
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