Ukrainian War Developments

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Atomicfrog

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Weaasel said:
This war is bringing out a new methodologies and doctrines of warfare. Armoured vehicles have now have much vulnerability to anti-armour weaponry and drones and low flying aircraft have much vulnerability to shoulder fired anti aircraft weaponry. Aerial dominance, even against an enemy that lacks any air power, can no longer be so great because of shoulder fired AA are significantly more effective than before.

Infantry will now play a significantly more dominant role than before in warfare. Armour will almost certainly be upgraded to become much stronger, but that will come at a cost of speed of speed. However, their fire power can be maintained or even improved, and armour will need to be defended by infantry much more vigilantly than before. Anti-drone warfare will also be of critical importance too...

This war is also reminding people city of the reality of urban warfare that battles such as those of Fallujah and Grozny proved which is that is defended by a decently equipped and at least fairly competent defensive force that is determined to fight, even if greatly outnumbered and surrounded by a force with much greater manpower, cannot be easily taken, and to take it much destruction will happen and if civilians are present in it, there will be much unfortunate collateral losses. This is the plain reality of urban warfare...
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Seeing powered battle-armors on the horizon. It's why the American and EU strategists were salivationg to see what would happen.
 
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Russia ought to adjust its force structure and conscript system

Obviously its trained infantry units should be enough for:
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2) Invade a medium sized country
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3) Be able to defend from other small countries.

These 3 objectives should guide Russian forces numbers
 
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lube said:
Who's been spamming unsourced tweets without any ounce of skepticism?
I've been seeing the propaganda war here play out in real time.
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Pretty much all the Russia supporters on here, that's who.
sheogorath said:
I mean, you actually bought into the whole "Ukraine shot down 4 Il-76" claim, so you tell us?
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When did I ever do that? Please link to my post when I said I believed it. I don't believe the claims of either side without corroboration.
 
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Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian president
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, told the FT that any deal would involve “the troops of the Russian Federation in any case leaving the territory of Ukraine” captured since the invasion began on 24 February – namely southern regions along the Azov and Black Seas, as well as territory to the east and north of Kyiv.
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So Ukraine choose death, fire and destruction. Russia will not back down for just neutrality for sure. The best they can achieve is an independent small landlocked country. If they achieve that without their west part totally in rubble it will be a great win for them. They need to put some sugar on that offer.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
So Ukraine choose death, fire and destruction. Russia will not back down for just neutrality for sure. The best they can achieve is an independent small landlocked country. If they achieve that without their west part totally in rubble it will be a great win for them. They need to put some sugar on that offer.
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It looks like a plan for neutrality while Ukraine accepts the defacto statuses of the Donbass Region and Crimea. That's a big compromise for both sides.
 
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Guardian update. Not sure how US UK and Turkey are supposed to guarantee security of Ukraine without at least some presence there. Anyway this plan would succeed in ending the immediate conflict and giving Ukraine time to properly tool up with western kit so as to give Russia an even bigger thrashing if they try anything again. Sanctions should stay until Putin is handed over to the Hague, the sequestered Russian reserves should be used to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused.


Ukraine and Russia have drawn up a tentative peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, the
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citing three sources involved in the talks.

The proposed deal would involve
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renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said.

Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian president
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, told the FT that any deal would involve “the troops of the Russian Federation in any case leaving the territory of Ukraine” captured since the invasion began on 24 February – namely southern regions along the Azov and Black Seas, as well as territory to the east and north of Kyiv.

Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed the tentative 15-point plan in full for the first time on Monday, the paper reports.
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Putin handed over to the Hague?
I'm sure that will happen once W. and Bubba Clinton show up there!
 
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