Ukrainian War Developments

Overbom said:

Would prefer that Russia gets a land connection to Crimea at minimum and preferably capture all the coast line from Ukraine.

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I cannot see Russia leaving Ukraine happy without that:

Dnipropetrovsk Oblast
Donetsk Oblast
Kharkiv Oblast
Kherson Oblast
Luhansk Oblast
Mykolaiv Oblast
Odessa Oblast
Poltava Oblast
Sumy Oblast
Zaporizhzhia Oblast

Would have been better to say yes to Minsk.

@Overbom @Abominable there will be compromises by both Russia and Ukraine in the end... That is almost certain...

Maikeru said:

Pretty much all the Russia supporters on here, that's who.

When did I ever do that? Please link to my post when I said I believed it. I don't believe the claims of either side without corroboration.

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Some of your last few posts:

Maikeru said:

Ukraine claims another Russian Major General killed. There is a photo online but can only see bottom half of his face, top half covered by helmet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503927379240099842

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Maikeru said:

Now we know where the money for the tyres of Russian Army trucks went:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503154601222152192

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Maikeru said:

Another source of funding for oligarchs' superyachts is uncovered:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503084360815108103

and see this before you seek to cope by dismissing as propaganda:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1503086875350749184

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All you've been doing in this thread is post unsubstantiated Ukrainian rumours. You've not made a single insightful post. We get it, you want China to help fight scary Russia.

We don't need a twitter NATO bot here. If we wanted to read what the western narrative is we already know where to look for it, thank you very much. Assuming you are a real person and not some NATO contractor doing a social media influence campaign.

Weaasel said:

"Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian president

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, told the FT that any deal would involve “the troops of the Russian Federation in any case leaving the territory of Ukraine” captured since the invasion began on 24 February – namely southern regions along the Azov and Black Seas, as well as territory to the east and north of Kyiv"

According to the report, that is a major indication of Ukraine's stance on territorial issues. It might indeed be what the Ukrainians are ready to compromise for: the defacto acceptance of the forfeiture of Crimea and areas of the Donbass Region.

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The troops of the Russian Federation leave Ukraine.

But what about the troops of the DPR who are currently in the process of eliminating the Azov Battalion in Mariupol and therefore capturing the city?

Weaasel said:

@Overbom @Abominable there will be compromises by both Russia and Ukraine in the end... That is almost certain...

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They will leave the north west to Ukraine. Ukraine will exist and will probably be not neutral. Russia will sleep for 30 years licking his wounds. Russian army will have weak knees for a long time, NATO will be pleased. That are the compromises I see.

Atomicfrog said:

I cannot see Russia leaving Ukraine happy without that:

Dnipropetrovsk Oblast
Donetsk Oblast
Kharkiv Oblast
Kherson Oblast
Luhansk Oblast
Mykolaiv Oblast
Odessa Oblast
Poltava Oblast
Sumy Oblast
Zaporizhzhia Oblast

Would have been better to say yes to Minsk.

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Ukraine cannot give up Odessa. Otherwise they would not have any access to the black sea anymore. And Ukraine needs a sea port to export their goods (wheat / steel) and import some goods (Chemicals, machinery), although Belarus and Russia are the two most important trading partners. Loosing Odessa would be a price Ukraine cannot pay.

Koala said:

Ukraine cannot give up Odessa. Otherwise they would not have any access to the black sea anymore. And Ukraine needs a sea port to export their goods (wheat / steel) and import some goods (Chemicals, machinery), although Belarus and Russia are the two most important trading partners. Loosing Odessa would be a price Ukraine cannot pay.

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They will not give up Odessa, they will lose Odessa... When Mariopol fall it will be Odessa turn. Ukraine need to put a lot of honey on the negociation table to pull that off. A lot.

Russian hackers have created a deepfake version of Zelensky asking soldiers to surrender and uploaded it to a Ukrainian news site. People have been talking about this threat for years, but I think this is the first time it's been deployed.


Can't comment on how the voice/accent sounds but the visual looks ok to me. Maybe it could convince a Ukrainian who was cut off from the outside world?

sheogorath said:

I remember HI Sutton was having an orgasm at the idea of this ship being suck by MLRS's

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H.I.Sutton was also removed from my list of reliable sources.
It's funny how this conflict has had the power to remove the credibility masks barely clinging to certain fraudsters.

Atomicfrog said:

I cannot see Russia leaving Ukraine happy without that:

Dnipropetrovsk Oblast
Donetsk Oblast
Kharkiv Oblast
Kherson Oblast
Luhansk Oblast
Mykolaiv Oblast
Odessa Oblast
Poltava Oblast
Sumy Oblast
Zaporizhzhia Oblast

Would have been better to say yes to Minsk. They will level.

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I believe that you are wrong. Unless somehow Russia does actually possess the financial reserves and the industrial capability to continue to finance the war. Well, it does possess a vast treasure trove of natural resources and most countries in the world are still willing to trade with it... Maybe, it will substantially commit its economy on a war footing to produce the armaments, vehicles, etc necessary to sustain its efforts.

Another 30 to 50,000 troops entering the Donbass, along with the necessary complement of drones, missiles, long range artillery, close air support, and high altitude air strikes will enable it to undertake the manoeuvres to surround Ukrainian troops in the Donbass completely. They will be much more cautious in the manoeuvres and advances this time.

One of the great vulnerabilities of the Ukrainian military presently is that they are much more at risk to air assault than the Russians are. There is no way in Hell that the Ukrainians will be able to have a SEXTILLION LIGHT YEAR long convoy gathered and clustered for several weeks without being totally destroyed by Russian Airpower, unlike the Russians, who were easily able to nonchalantly do so North of Kiev. The Ukrainians cannot resupply large formation of their troops in already encircled places and also places not yet encircled but highly at risk of being so, such as in the least.

That convoy was a clear demonstration of decisive air domination by the Russians in Ukraine, as much as Western Media and analysts refuse to acknowledge it, and instead attribute it being stuck there mostly to logistical problems.