Ukrainian War Developments

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j17wang

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"Survive" is relative. Fanatical Japan capitulated after 2 low yield strikes.

The country would be ruined.
Much less so than Europe. It would be ripe conquest for by Morocco and Algeria if they were ever foolish enough to test Russia.
 

Richard Santos

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They're not going to cut him for saying China wont supply parts especially if they actually said that. I assume what actually happened is more likely one of the following

  1. China wont supply Western specific parts but can offer an alternative, he spun the story
  2. China offered parts, but not at exact ones he wants or at the price range, he spun the story
  3. The parts required was in heavy demand in China domestically at the same time, China cant offer
  4. China would supply parts, but towards contractors at a slow pace, as a bureaucrat trying to shift blame he refuses to be responsible and blames China.
  5. Incompetence, ran his mouth when he went to the incorrect or only a single contractor, took refusal as permanent.

More likely Russia realizes that under the current circumstance, she would need to engage in some trade deals with China on terms that would seem quite unfavorable under any other circumstances. So to forestall any popular discontent that might arise in reaction to these trade deals, such as cries of “sellout” to what may be perceived as a not entirely friendly or supportive Chinese regime, Russia would now need to portray China as a steadfast all weather friend whose support can be counted on at all times and whose dealings with Russia is beyond reproach in all respects.

So those who generated the kind of negative publicity such as the story of China refusing to sell desperately needed parts to Russia has to go.

I think you might see for a considerable time, anyone in Russia saying negative things about China that gains wide circulation will be silenced.
 
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Jj888

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This is basically Putin and the rest of the, "we will nuke you if you make even the slightest move" idiots:

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Richard Santos

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India using Yuan ??? Well not worse than Russia using Us dollars...

They are not using the Yuan. They just agree to pay the Russians with an amount of rupees determined by rupee/yuan exchange rate.

At this moment the rupee is tanking almost as fast as the ruble, so the Russians would insist on a mechanism to set a value for what they would receive in payment that won’t sharply depreciate with the rupee. Preferably what they got paid by the Indians should retain a relatively steady international purchase power irrespective of fluctuation in value of the currency used. Previously payment in dollar mitigate this currency risk. Now yuan is being used in the same role, to make sure what Indians agreed to pay the Russians today is still going to be worth about the same amount tomorrow.
 
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lube

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This is basically Putin and the rest of the, "we will nuke you if you make even the slightest move" idiots:

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It might gall certain people but the threat of nukes is keeping NATO intervention at bay.
Something is working, anyway.

Russia having nuclear weapons and a credible red line NATO is not willing cross is a fact of life, you can't just reject reality.
 

Mohsin77

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Western warmongers crying after being on the receiving end of airstrikes.

A while back I heard a story by a US sniper in an interview about Afghanistan. He said he had .50 Barret rifle and was taking shots at a group of Taliban fighters at long distance. Unlike in the movies, it's not a "1 shot 1 kill" situation. He kept firing at them and missing. But his targets knew that they were being engaged by a sniper, since they could hear the crack of his bullets going past them.

But the sniper noticed something really weird. His targets wouldn't run. There wasn't much cover around, but he still expected them to start running, and yet they wouldn't. After a few misses and adjustments, one of the shots hit. It literally tore the guy to pieces. The rest of the fighters looked at his remains, and then started walking again, as if nothing happened.

The sniper said this was the day he finally understood what the US was up against. And this is also why the average American/British volunteers can't hack it in Ukraine, when they're the underdogs.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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More likely Russia realizes that under the current circumstance, she would need to engage in some trade deals with China on terms that would seem quite unfavorable under any other circumstances. So to forestall any popular discontent that might arise in reaction to these trade deals, such as cries of “sellout” to what may be perceived as a not entirely friendly or supportive Chinese regime, Russia would now need to portray China as a steadfast all weather friend whose support can be counted on at all times and whose dealings with Russia is beyond reproach in all respects.

So those who generated the kind of negative publicity such as the story of China refusing to sell desperately needed parts to Russia has to go.

I think you might see for a considerable time, anyone in Russia saying negative things about China that gains wide circulation will be silenced.

The article don't specify what kind of aircraft parts, where they are western or Chinese in design or manufacture, and doesn't specify what reason they are not being supplied for whether sanction related or otherwise and doesn't specify contractors. This is fairly standard western mainstream media propaganda: vague, negative and unsourcable. As is your argument, which bases itself on western media.

Russia doesn't need to "portray" China in any specific directions because the current direction is acceptable to them as it stands, willing to trade, no sanctions, willing and able to use their currency as a medium of exchange, unwilling to supply troops and willing to engage in commercial military supplies. This argument vaguely stating that "China" (no manufacture and companies named) is unwilling to supply "parts" is enough to result in a firing is ludicrous, there are definitely other causes and incompetence involved.
 

Abominable

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They are not using the Yuan. They just agree to pay the Russians with an amount of rupees determined by rupee/yuan exchange rate.

At this moment the rupee is tanking almost as fast as the ruble, so the Russians would insist on a mechanism to set a value for what they would receive in payment that won’t sharply depreciate with the rupee. Preferably what they got paid by the Indians should retain a relatively steady international purchase power irrespective of fluctuation in value of the currency used. Previously payment in dollar mitigate this currency risk. Now yuan is being used in the same role, to make sure what Indians agreed to pay the Russians today is still going to be worth about the same amount tomorrow.
What you're describing is exactly how dollar denominated international transactions work. You guys are using the yuan instead now, deal with it.

I don't know why you Indians hate Chinese so much.
Biden signs Bipartisan Govt Funding Bill into law – providing $13.6 billion in funding to Ukraine

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$13 billion?? There's no chance they'll be able to put that much military or even humanitarian equipment into Ukraine with the way things are going. A lot of it already seems to be stockpiling up in the west of the country.

For comparison the CIA spent $1 billion in Afghanistan over a whole DECADE fighting the Russians. I know inflation is a thing, but how are they going to spend that much in a few weeks? This money will just be pocketed by the MIC as it was in Iraq/Afghanistan.
 

Han Patriot

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What you're describing is exactly how dollar denominated international transactions work. You guys are using the yuan instead now, deal with it.

I don't know why you Indians hate Chinese so much.

$13 billion?? There's no chance they'll be able to put that much military or even humanitarian equipment into Ukraine with the way things are going. A lot of it already seems to be stockpiling up in the west of the country.

For comparison the CIA spent $1 billion in Afghanistan over a whole DECADE fighting the Russians. I know inflation is a thing, but how are they going to spend that much in a few weeks? This money will just be pocketed by the MIC as it was in Iraq/Afghanistan.
it's the 100$ toilet paper saga all over again. The MIC is selling overpriced Stingers and Javs to the US military to be given to the Ukr,
 
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