Ukrainian War Developments

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Overbom

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Demetri is a CIA-front, so consider this tweet as a CIA press release
"#NewChinaRussiaScoop – US told allies that Russia requested 5 types of military gear from China, including #SurfaceToAirMissiles. Also #drones, armored vehicles, logistics vehicles & intelligence-related equipment. US did not provide underlying intelligence in cables to allies."
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I totally disagree with you.
In my opinion, things would have been worse for Russia in the long run, if they ended the war too soon.
People like you are so used to globalized liberal market economy that you think it is the only way to organize a country's economy. You think GDP means everything. I, frankly, don't think so.

Because structurally speaking, Russia do NOT have any overall shortages in its own economy: it has way more land per capital than world nations average, it has no shortage of water, no shortage of food, no shortage of infrastructure, no shortage of technology. In fact, it is globalism and Russia's relatively open market to the world, as well as Russia lack of governmental strategic planning and subsidizing of industries that has been breaking down and eroding the once humongous and robust Soviet industries, letting it fall victim from unfair competition from the the globalized West and econ partners of the West (China). Because we in the West believe in globalized liberal market economy as a religion, we simply take the whole "slow dying of the Soviet-era Industry" as something Darwinian and natural, and even righteous.

But I don't believe that is the case. Russia is NOT like China, where shortage of food and energy and water and land will restrain China ability to act more independently from global dynamics. Russia can really afford to be closed off to the West, and the huge need for Russia energy and potentially military and other high tech, from India and China, will put it in a pretty good place in the long run.

In fact, the longer this war drags out, the worse the Russia economy will look like from the outside, but it will also force Russia to re-form its economic structure. And the West will find another "Soviet-Like" planned-economy rising in Russia. The West can laugh at this now. But if people believe the US can be an isolationist/anti-globalism great power, so can Russia.

If this war is short, the Russian will still entertain the fantasy of going back the way things were before, instead of take the chance to do things their own way. Historically speaking, that's how sanctions works: it is only to shock and awe and scare the other side to capitulate, if they don't, it would be utter failure.
It is true that Russia can be independent in all ways from the west but it isn't true that China depends on access to global markets to fuel its economy. A decoupling of China from global markets would cause hyperinflation and mass unemployment around the world while Chinese companies would quickly retool to work around domestic inputs.

China isn't short of food, land, energy or resources. China per capita food imports is $40 USD or 98% food independence by value and over 100% by calories. The only real problems are consumer tastes and China's diplomatic goals.

If pushed to the wall, China can definitely afford to be closed off with a slightly lower standard of living i.e. with only domestic + Russian oil (5.5 million bpd) it can afford a 2003 level of consumption with the difference that EVs are now available and can further reduce oil dependence.

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Otherwise China has centuries of coal reserves remaining which can be further transformed into oil, as well as global strategic materials like tungsten, lithium, rare earths, etc.
 

gadgetcool5

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Interesting that the U.S. is claiming to have intelligence into:
1. Russian top level military decision making
2. Putin's personal behavior
3. Russia's communications with China, and
4. China's internal deliberations
5. Xi being "unsettled"

If you're Russia and China, if this intelligence is true, then you have to be wondering where it's coming from. It's interesting that Russia and China aren't releasing information on internal U.S. decision making, for instance. Confidentiality and intelligence is important business that cannot be neglected. But the question remains how much of it is true and how much is propaganda.
 

HeiTangSeng

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Demetri is a CIA-front, so consider this tweet as a CIA press release
"#NewChinaRussiaScoop – US told allies that Russia requested 5 types of military gear from China, including #SurfaceToAirMissiles. Also #drones, armored vehicles, logistics vehicles & intelligence-related equipment.

This list, IF it resembles any truth, signals that the Russians are looking half a year down the road to secure the new borders in ex-Ukraine.

It's actually the smart move to use China's productivity. Russia's own weapons factories most likely don't have any capacity to spare and won't for a long time.
 

solarz

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Man, he's not having a good day. RIP to his friends.

https://www.reddit.com/r/volunteersForUkraine/comments/tdnmlj
Enlightening thread. This is what happens when Americans used to fighting cave-dwelling goat herders in sandals while holding complete air and tech superiority fight a modernized army. The incessant and overwhelming pro-Ukrainian propaganda definitely didn't help either. Some absolute gems:

I just wonder how many Americans will die to Russian missiles in the following days.

If that is their reaction against Russian missiles, imagine what their reaction will be against Chinese missiles.

Well, most likely there will be no reaction because they'll all be dead.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I haven't seen any Central / Eastern Europeans or German in the Kamikaze Legion.


Of course every friend in EE follow "if you don't have skin in a war then don't fight there", but still, there are videogames there as well : D
 
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