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Royal Scottish Air force?

Scottish Nationalists reveal vision for independent air force

By: CRAIG HOYLE LONDON 01:27 28 Nov 2013 Source:
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An independent Scotland would have an air force equipped with up to 16 air defence aircraft, six tactical transports, utility rotorcraft and maritime patrol aircraft, and be capable of “contributing excellent conventional capabilities” to NATO, according to a White Paper published by the Scottish National Party (SNP).
Outlining its ambition to establish an air force with an eventual 2,000 uniformed personnel and 300 reservists, the SNP says the organisation would initially be equipped with “a minimum of 12 [Eurofighter] Typhoon jets based at Lossiemouth, a tactical air transport squadron, including around six [Lockheed Martin] C-130J Hercules, and a helicopter squadron”.

According to the document, “Key elements of air forces in place at independence, equipped initially from a negotiated share of current UK assets, will secure core tasks, principally the ability to police Scotland’s airspace, within NATO.”

An in-country air command and control capability would be established within five years of a decision in favour of independence, it continues, with staff also to be “embedded within NATO structures”.

Still stung by the 2010 cancellation of the Royal Air Force’s fleet of BAE Systems Nimrod MRA4 maritime patrol aircraft, which were to have been based in Scotland, the SNP says it plans to prioritise the procurement of a replacement capability within the same period. “The numbers maintained by comparable nations suggests a potential fleet of four,” it adds. No provision is included for military pilot training, however, with Scotland to seek “joint arrangements with allies”.

The proposals form part of a plan to establish a 15,000-strong defence force within 10 years, backed by 5,000 reservists.

“The final force levels will provide capacity for Scotland to make enhanced contributions to international partnership operations,” the SNP says, with air involvement to be contingent on the receipt of up to 16 Typhoons.

An independent Scotland would spend £2.5 billion ($4 billion) per year on defence and security, according to the SNP; down from a current £3.3 billion contribution to the UK’s annual military spending.

Another key aspect of the party’s defence strategy is the proposed removal of the Royal Navy’s nuclear submarine force from Faslane, with its White Paper referring to their Trident missiles as representing “an affront to basic decency”. Instead, the base would become home for the Scottish navy’s conventional vessels, and also for its defence forces headquarters.

The RAF currently has two frontline Typhoon squadrons based at Leuchars in Scotland. These are due to relocate to Lossiemouth next year, with a third unit to also be established at the site in 2015. Service sources say no alternative plan is currently being considered, despite the pending referendum, which will be held on 18 September 2014.

In written evidence submitted to the House of Commons Defence Committee earlier this year, the Ministry of Defence says: “It is the policy of the UK government to maintain the integrity of the existing UK, and we are supporting that position with evidence and analysis. The UK government is confident that the people of Scotland will choose to remain part of the UK, and is not planning for any other outcome.”

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Okay hypothetically if Scotland were to go independent? What kind of defence force do we think they would create? obviously a good model might be based on the Irish defence forces. Or would they retain a intermixed defence force.
 

asif iqbal

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Okay hypothetically if Scotland were to go independent? What kind of defence force do we think they would create? obviously a good model might be based on the Irish defence forces. Or would they retain a intermixed defence force.

It would be a defence force inline with Scotland's defence needs and not UK as a whole

However we are going to retain the crown and union for now so the Royal Scottish Air Force is correct

Just wonder who is going to look after the Russian bombers flying out of Murmansk!? Currently Norway shares information with UK as a whole and is a first alert will they also share this info with a Independent Scotland?

Also what about all those historical Scottish Regiments which have participated in the last 250 years of wars for England and the crown? Are they to stay or go there's over a dozen Regiments and two dozen Infantry Brigades

Mr Alex Salmond you have many questions to answer before you become the first King of Scotland
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: Royal Scottish Air force?

In the case of the Historic Scottish regiments, I believe there is a precedent that can be followed. The Gurkha regiments. When the UK granted independence to India and Nepal they kept a small number of the Gurkha regiments as a elite foreign legion, the majority were turned over to the new national army's where they formed the core of the forces.
the Historic Scottish regiments I imagine similarly be divided a few being kept by the Queen and the majority being used as the primary corps of the Scottish Army. For those that remain in the British Army, a volunteer system would be created. New recruits being received and trained as part of the regiment. Those being turned over might be granted loans of there existing equipment until such time as Scotland has secured its own either via buying that existing equipment from Great Britan or separately. The relationship between the would would likely remain close. They may also establish a unified air defense command like that seen in "the Colonies'" the USA, Canada and Mexico. Where in the Royal Air force and Royal Scottish Air Force would share interception missions.
 

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If Scotland becomes independent who is to stop Northern Ireland from uniting with the Republic of Ireland?

I believe Scotland and the UK would military forces would unite become a combine Commonwealth like military, therefore not much will change like you said Terranempire.
 

MwRYum

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If Scotland becomes independent who is to stop Northern Ireland from uniting with the Republic of Ireland?

I believe Scotland and the UK would military forces would unite become a combine Commonwealth like military, therefore not much will change like you said Terranempire.

What fate would install for Northern Ireland and Ireland would depend on whether those in Northern Ireland got the stomach for renewal of violence, or finally sensible enough to put it on referendum that everyone would respect its outcome, whichever it may be.

If by what I've read is correct, the independence movement not just call for an independent Scottish nation, but renounce the Crown as Head of State as well (ie. have their own Head of State), though nothing said about their status in the Commonwealth. Now, if the new Scotland nation renounce the Crown, then all the Scottish outfit that'd form the new Scottish Army will naturally have the "Royal" title stripped from their title, and of course there'd be no "Royal Scottish Air Force" but "Republic of Scotland Air Force" (then there'd be 3 air force in the world have RSAF as their shorthand) or just "Scottish Air Force".
 

asif iqbal

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Re: Royal Scottish Air force?

If Scotland becomes independent who is to stop Northern Ireland from uniting with the Republic of Ireland?

I believe Scotland and the UK would military forces would unite become a combine Commonwealth like military, therefore not much will change like you said Terranempire.

Northern Island already voted in a referendum and the good Friday agreement that they want to stay with the Union, theres too much divided between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland for them to come together

We see what has happened to the Republic of Ireland and the whole Euro deal it's not good
 

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The UK's future flagship now stands 56 metres (183ft) tall – higher than Nelson’s Column – after the enormous Goliath crane lifted the 8.4-tonne long-range radar into place on top of the carrier’s forward island.

The radar – similar to those fitted on the Type 45 destroyers – safely arrived in Rosyth with its support, the mast cap, from Hengelo in the eastern Netherlands back in September.

Since then feverish work has been going on around Queen Elizabeth to complete her hull (finished earlier this month [NOV] with the addition of her ski ramp).

With the addition of the mast cap and black slab – officially an antenna, despite its size (32m2 or 344ft2) – all of the ship’s main structure blocks are now in place.

The radar, which provides a three dimensional, long-range picture not just of the skies around Queen Elizabeth but also the waters, sits 27 metres (88ft) above the flight deck, 50 metres (164ft) above the sea.

And that’s still not the highest point on Queen Elizabeth. When the communications pole mast is fitted next year it will be 70 metres (230ft) from tip to keel – which is almost as long as a River-class patrol ship.

As for the radar, it can track up to 1,000 contacts up to a range of 400km (250 miles) from the ship.

So, if fired up in Rosyth it could track every aircraft in UK skies as far south as Birmingham and Nottingham.

Or from Queen Elizabeth’s home base of Portsmouth (arriving over the winter of 2016-17) the radar’s eyes can see as far north as the Lake District, as far south as Nantes and as far east as Brussels.

It now falls to the weapon engineering department and Aircraft Carrier Alliance technicians to mesh the radar and the data it will gather in with the rest of the systems aboard.

It’s the first time the civilian and RN engineers have worked side-by-side on a shipbuilding project; traditionally, shipwrights complete the installation of kit, then hand over the finished product to the Navy.

In a ship’s company of 50 at present, the WE department is 21-strong – and will slowly rise to a full strength of 94 by 2015.

Given the size of Queen Elizabeth and complexity of her systems – billed as the Navy’s ultimate engineer challenge – the engineers (marine and weapon) are keen to encourage their branch brothers and sisters to join them on the Forth
 
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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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Northern Island already voted in a referendum and the good Friday agreement that they want to stay with the Union, theres too much divided between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland for them to come together

We see what has happened to the Republic of Ireland and the whole Euro deal it's not good

that's a shame because the Bible says.

John 13:34-35

King James Version (KJV)

34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Old hatred runs deep.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Trust me its deep. My grandparents were protestant Scot on one side and Irish Catholics on the other. My mother and uncle were shunned by both sides and I am not even acknowledged as existing. This mind you is in the USA. Its a very old conflict that has lasted for generations and will continue to for many more.
 

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Trust me its deep. My grandparents were protestant Scot on one side and Irish Catholics on the other. My mother and uncle were shunned by both sides and I am not even acknowledged as existing. This mind you is in the USA. Its a very old conflict that has lasted for generations and will continue to for many more.

Man I'm sorry to hear that Terran. I hope things will get better as time goes by and the next generation will improve ties.
 
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