Type 95 Assault Rifle II

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Pointblank said:

This would require additional training on part of the troops on how to aim and fire accurately when firing in automatic mode, and not waste ammunition. With the squad automatic weapon concept, only a few people receive this additional training, reducing training costs, plus the squad as a whole can extend their ammunition supply while carrying less ammunition. A dedicated SAW is also more reliable as assault rifles in order to be practical has to be lightweight is therefore prone to overheat or malfunction under the stresses of continuous fully automatic fire. A SAW by nature is heavier and therefore has a heavier barrel and action which can withstand prolonged automatic fire.

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==To fully explain this, there is an example, in the early 50's, both AK-47 and SKS became available, SKS was more accurate and has a longer range, while AK-47 was capable of sustained automatic fire, while the Russian adopted the AK-47 as their main infantry weapon, the Chinese adopted the SKS, and this illustrates the difference in nature of the two armies, the Chinese army was defense oriented, infantry in prepared positions using accurate semi-automatic fire to take down attacking enemy soldiers. The Soviet army was oriented on mechanised offensive, infantry advance along armoured vehicles, firing full auto, preventing the enemy from assaulting the tanks by building a wall of bullets.
So from the design of the QBB-95, it appears to me that it will serve a similar purpose to the RPK series, laying suppressive fire while advancing with armour, firing full auto for the duration of an attack, which would only last around 3 minutes.

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I'll doubt that the 7-8 troops with Type 95 will be firing in auto cause It'll waste too much ammunition and PLA have focused on conserving ammunition unless neccessary to do so.

With the PLA LSW it still has less punch, range, ammunition to supress enemies effectively than the US SAW. Yes US troops with the M-16/4 are more the accurate shooters while the SAW boys supresses the enemy.

But don't forget the current troops armed with the Type-95 rifle are the elites, and the elites in the PLA are taught to conserve ammo. So full auto, is not wise for supression while this could be achieved with a designated LSW.

The PLA boys are going to have difficult times in loading the drum magazine to the Type 95. I'd rather see the PLA develop a pure LSW/SAW for their troops with conventional layout and using the 7.62 rounds.

As to China following in Soviet style. Nope I think moreso a combination between Soviet and US, with their own tactics added in.

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There is no reason why would the PLA want to conserve ammo, and eventually 7.62x39mm will have to be phased out.

Picture it, infantry ride into battle on their IFV's, artillery, air and tanks provides support all the way, the IFV's will get to around 500m away from the enemy, infantry will dismount, and start doing their fire and manoeuvre towards the enemy position, accompanying their IFV's. In this scenario, the range and magazine capacity of FN Minimi is not really significant advantages, and it's too long and heavy.

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King_Comm said:

There is no reason why would the PLA want to conserve ammo, and eventually 7.62x39mm will have to be phased out.

Picture it, infantry ride into battle on their IFV's, artillery, air and tanks provides support all the way, the IFV's will get to around 500m away from the enemy, infantry will dismount, and start doing their fire and manoeuvre towards the enemy position, accompanying their IFV's. In this scenario, the range and magazine capacity of FN Minimi is not really significant advantages, and it's too long and heavy.

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It is not about conserving ammo at practice, it is about conserving ammo while fighting. During battles, a constant stream of supplies and ammunition cannot be counted upon, and the conservation of ammunition is a must otherwise, you could run into the situation where you run out of ammo right in the middle of a battle and your logistics for various reasons can't keep up with demand for ammunition.

The doctrine of the squad automatic rifle greatly reduces logistics loads, including combat pack weights, aerial resupply, and fuel requirements while extending the length of a patrol an soldier can go on.

A SAW is more accurate than an assault rifle when fired into automatic mode because it is heavier and more stable. It is a specialist weapon concept that has proven itself in combat to avoid unnecessary use of ammunition, and reduce both the training and combat pack loads of a squad.

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Thankyou, finally someone understand what im trying to get at. Most conflicts present and future are mostly in urban environments. So there wouldn't be a large amount of troops huddled in a group. They will be in small squads. So conserving ammo is VITAL cause there isnt always a guarantee on resupplies. Sometimes your squad has to hold its position and defend itself for a couple of days. So last thing you would want to do is deplete all your ammo in an hour, when you might be out there for several days.

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Pointblank said:

It is not about conserving ammo at practice, it is about conserving ammo while fighting. During battles, a constant stream of supplies and ammunition cannot be counted upon, and the conservation of ammunition is a must otherwise, you could run into the situation where you run out of ammo right in the middle of a battle and your logistics for various reasons can't keep up with demand for ammunition.

The doctrine of the squad automatic rifle greatly reduces logistics loads, including combat pack weights, aerial resupply, and fuel requirements while extending the length of a patrol an soldier can go on.

A SAW is more accurate than an assault rifle when fired into automatic mode because it is heavier and more stable. It is a specialist weapon concept that has proven itself in combat to avoid unnecessary use of ammunition, and reduce both the training and combat pack loads of a squad.

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==Well, to fully addressed the logistic side of things, we will have to go into the detail of the western "move to fight" mentality vs eastern "fight to move" mentality, which is way beyond the scope of this discussion, or indeed that of this forum, (I can write something on it if you like, just don't know which part of the forum it should go). so all I can say is, it is unlikely the Chinese army was unaware of the advantages of something like FN Minimi, it's just that QBB-95 suits their purposes better.

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Its also worth mentioning that alongside the QBB95 at squad level, the QJY88 is issued at squad or platoon level, which is much more capable of suppresive fire.

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Well the US's X-M8 weapons family SAW uses only a 100 roundd beta-c mag. Also the US Marine Corp is planning on replacing the FN Mini with Ultimax 100 and it to will only be using a 100 round drum or beta-c mag. US troops have also been requesting for the 75 and 100 round belt bags for FN mini because the 200 round plastic drum is too bulk in urban opps as well as melting in during heavy sustained fire use.

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The plastic drum can be replaced with a cloth one, as done by Canada in their mid-life upgrade of the C9 into the C9A2.

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ABC78 said:

Well the US's X-M8 weapons family SAW uses only a 100 roundd beta-c mag. Also the US Marine Corp is planning on replacing the FN Mini with Ultimax 100 and it to will only be using a 100 round drum or beta-c mag. US troops have also been requesting for the 75 and 100 round belt bags for FN mini because the 200 round plastic drum is too bulk in urban opps as well as melting in during heavy sustained fire use.

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XM-8 is Dead ( it's official) . no official notification has been made as to the adoption of the Ultimax 100. the biggest problem with the mini box is all the damned racket that thing makes. the "Nut sacks" 100 round bags that hold ammo belts are popular because of there light weight and stealthiness when raiding. the Us forces are phasing in a 200 round "Soft pack"
Mounting a drum under a bullpup is foolish and i doubt a real comfort to the troops.