Type 95 Assault Rifle II

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ahho said:

your suggestions is pretty good, but for #3 why not the type-03 conventional design?? i mean you can fit all those scopes on it, why would you need a new layout (or the type-95 layout). I don't think it helps production anyways

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The Type 03 still resembles the Russian influence of the AK-47 rifle in which the Type 81 had heavy influence from. The Type 81 is still being fielded in large numbers, and China now wants to prove itself that it is modern fighting force with domestic equipment. I think that is why the PLA chose the Type 95 instead of the Type 03 due to the Type 95 looks more modern and domestic while the Type 03 looks old and resembles the Russian AK rifles. (I know looks don't matter but this was a reason) Now since the PLA are looking for modern design I think that it should look at the FN SCAR: Mark 16 rifle:
- It has a retractable stock.
- Looks modern
- Same weight as the Type 95
- Has foward handle grip for CQB
- Stock has rubber backing to reduce vibration from the rifle firing to the user.(increases accuracy on auto mode)
- Ambidextrous
- Cartridge expel is at the front to reduce the noise blast from the user
- Has the optional grips on the side and top of the rifle for various scopes, lights and other equipment. This grip mechanism (don't know what it is called) on top of the rifle can position the scope either foward or back. While the Type 03 or Type 95 rifle can only position the scope in a fixed position and cannot be adjustable.

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Chengdu J-10 said:

The Type 03 still resembles the Russian influence of the AK-47 rifle in which the Type 81 had heavy influence from. The Type 81 is still being fielded in large numbers, and China now wants to prove itself that it is modern fighting force with domestic equipment. I think that is why the PLA chose the Type 95 instead of the Type 03 due to the Type 95 looks more modern and domestic while the Type 03 looks old and resembles the Russian AK rifles. (I know looks don't matter but this was a reason) Now since the PLA are looking for modern design I think that it should look at the FN SCAR: Mark 16 rifle:
- It has a retractable stock.
- Looks modern
- Same weight as the Type 95
- Has foward handle grip for CQB
- Stock has rubber backing to reduce vibration from the rifle firing to the user.(increases accuracy on auto mode)
- Ambidextrous
- Cartridge expel is at the front to reduce the noise blast from the user
- Has the optional grips on the side and top of the rifle for various scopes, lights and other equipment. This grip mechanism (don't know what it is called) on top of the rifle can position the scope either foward or back. While the Type 03 or Type 95 rifle can only position the scope in a fixed position and cannot be adjustable.

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Or, since you like modern looking rifles, they could joust put Picatinny rails and SCAR type stock on type03... That way you would have all that shiny, modern looking gadgets on type03. And please leave old operating system from type81, it is proven and reliable design...

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isthvan said:

Or, since you like modern looking rifles, they could joust put Picatinny rails and SCAR type stock on type03... That way you would have all that shiny, modern looking gadgets on type03. And please leave old operating system from type81, it is proven and reliable design...

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Oh thats not what I think its what the PLA thinks but if they were designing a rifle and ask for my design thats what I would do. Yeah of course keep the internal mechanism the same but change the outter appearance for comfatability and ease of use. The Type 03 is a good rifle but isn't really a major step away from the the Type 81 which the PLA noticed. Your suggestion would be the most cost effective solution.

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Is it possible to make a lefty kit on the type 95? left-enabled rifles have a slot on the left for conversion; this don't.

To make it so would require a major redesign.

And Picatinny rail is the word you are looking for.
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What changes do you speak of that will lead to better comfort and ease of use? You can do all of these changes on the Type 87 and Type 03........
Note: The Type 95 already has a handle.....though it can be enlarged. But why removable?
I hope you don't mind a couple of inputs I have, Chengdu.
Forward-case-spitting is not a good idea IMO. Now you have 2 forces hitting your shoulder when pressing the trigger, and the reaction is in the same spot, so the noise will not go down..... My idea is to have the cases fly up and hit a deflector that you can set by hand for the desired direction.
If you really want to lower recoil (though almost nonexistent under .30) then I suggest also that you add a tuning fork to the stock/handle (Just like in hammers).
As for reducing weight, just have a skinny frame for a side-folding stock, AKS and G36s use this. I don't suggest the use of retractable stocks. They take space, are not as reliable, and don't retract that much. You can't conceal them under a coat either.
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Maybe the rifle in your mind is the CR-21?

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sumdud said:

Is it possible to make a lefty kit on the type 95? left-enabled rifles have a slot on the left for conversion; this don't.

To make it so would require a major redesign.

And Picatinny rail is the word you are looking for.
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What changes do you speak of that will lead to better comfort and ease of use? You can do all of these changes on the Type 87 and Type 03........
Note: The Type 95 already has a handle.....though it can be enlarged. But why removable?
I hope you don't mind a couple of inputs I have, Chengdu.
Forward-case-spitting is not a good idea IMO. Now you have 2 forces hitting your shoulder when pressing the trigger, and the reaction is in the same spot, so the noise will not go down..... My idea is to have the cases fly up and hit a deflector that you can set by hand for the desired direction.
If you really want to lower recoil (though almost nonexistent under .30) then I suggest also that you add a tuning fork to the stock/handle (Just like in hammers).
As for reducing weight, just have a skinny frame for a side-folding stock, AKS and G36s use this. I don't suggest the use of retractable stocks. They take space, are not as reliable, and don't retract that much. You can't conceal them under a coat either.
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Maybe the rifle in your mind is the CR-21?

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Comfortability: Add cushioning at the end of the stock to absorb the impact of the cartridge being set off, in order too reduce impact on the operators body.
Ease of use: Have a retractable and foldable stock. Yes both no just one. If the PLA were to make a conventional rifle, I personally would choose the Heckler-Koch HK G36 assault rifle foldable stock for the new rifle. But also I would make the stock retractable, so that the butt of the G36 stock butt retract into the actual stock. (sounds confusing I know) Picatinny rail (thanks for that sumdud) would be ontop of the rifles body and also either on the left or right hand side of the forefront body of the rifle. This would allow the ease of attaching extras. (lights, laser, scopes, night vision, red dot, carrying handle) The saftey switch for the rifle will bemoved to the side above the trigger instead of the back where the Type 95 switch is. (Bizzare) Also make a foldable forward handgrip were the handgrip can be folded up when not needed and folded down when needed. The handgrip will fold into the body of the rifle so that the shooter can have normal grip without the rifle being in the way, maybe a groove in the grip for the foward handgrip. Finally the magazine will be made by translucent plastic that will be attached to the rifle through a western feeding method. (clip on not the rock n roll like the AK's) Why you ask? Well it will take to long to explain. To answer sumdud the rifle I'm looking for would be the FN SCAR: Mark 16 body with a G36 stock.

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And it would also be unnecessarily complicated and expensive. Frankly, it is amusing to hear all the "I think China should"s coming from you but they all don't matter. The people who make the decisions probably see quite a different picture than you, and I would believe they have considered the manufacturing, maintenance, logistical, doctrinal, and other practical considerations you have not.

Just as an aside. Is Picatinny patented? I suppose it is. Does this mean using it will require licensing fees? If so, laugh, you can forget about it. Besides, what is the point of adding Picatinny rails to a PLA rifle? Perhaps, just maybe, SOF or PAP might opt for it for the sake of battlefield pickups/rare equipment that won't be mass produced domestically. Anything equipped in large numbers to the PLA will be mass produced locally, so compatibility won't be a problem as the connectors would be proprietary. The incentive for using Picatinny is that it is a standard many accessory manufacturers use. Since mass produced PLA accessories would be custom made by the Chinese mil-ind complex for the PLA, there's really little point. I would imagine compatbility with foreign systems (except perhaps Russian) is something the PLA does NOT want, at least, certainly not in ammo.

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RedMercury said:

And it would also be unnecessarily complicated and expensive. Frankly, it is amusing to hear all the "I think China should"s coming from you but they all don't matter. The people who make the decisions probably see quite a different picture than you, and I would believe they have considered the manufacturing, maintenance, logistical, doctrinal, and other practical considerations you have not.

Just as an aside. Is Picatinny patented? I suppose it is. Does this mean using it will require licensing fees? If so, laugh, you can forget about it. Besides, what is the point of adding Picatinny rails to a PLA rifle? Perhaps, just maybe, SOF or PAP might opt for it for the sake of battlefield pickups/rare equipment that won't be mass produced domestically. Anything equipped in large numbers to the PLA will be mass produced locally, so compatibility won't be a problem as the connectors would be proprietary. The incentive for using Picatinny is that it is a standard many accessory manufacturers use. Since mass produced PLA accessories would be custom made by the Chinese mil-ind complex for the PLA, there's really little point. I would imagine compatbility with foreign systems (except perhaps Russian) is something the PLA does NOT want, at least, certainly not in ammo.

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Have you even bother reading the what this posts is all about? Its about what would you do to the existing rifle (Type 95) if you were to change or to design a new one. And why can't I give suggestions or ideas to modify or construct a rifle anyway? Since this is what the post is all about. Obviously the PLA would look things differently to me and all of us. We don't even know whats happening fully in China right now in the military area. Yes I have thought about manufacturing, maintenance, logistical, doctrinal, and other practical considerations of the rifle. The rifle that was indicated by me on the last post was a rifle for the Special forces, not for the bulk of the army. They do have a budget to think about you know, not like the US with bulk of money at their disposal. I really don't give an f##k what you think about me anyway. What is Sino defence forums and post about is giving suggestions and ideas of things. This post is posting your ideas so whats so funny in someone saying I think in this posts. Since its a post about your ideal rifle upgrade and modifications to the existing or new rifles in the PLA. The PLA doesn't give s##t what we think and say in this thread anyway so we can post whatever we like. The PLA will use their own ammuntion 5.8 x 42mm for their possible new rifle. No s##t really red mercury won't the PLA use russian ammunition for their rifle. Finally whats up with all negative comments in most post you make not in this one but in other ones to. You are so judgemental about peoples opinion.

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To Chengdu: Actually, you should thank isthvan. I just copied and pasted from his post.
And Type 95 does not need a foregrip.
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But of course, this thread is named "Type 95 assault rifle", not "China's Ideal Rifle's Cons". So stick to the title!

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Why not eject the spent rounds downwards, which allows a lefty to shoot a rifle without having brass flying into his face? Just a thought.

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Pointblank said:

Why not eject the spent rounds downwards, which allows a lefty to shoot a rifle without having brass flying into his face? Just a thought.

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Are trying to refer to a brass deflector? Simular to the Singapore bullpup assault rifle SAR-21. Yes, adding a brass deflector will enable a left rifle holder to fire the gun without bullets flying into there face.

To Sumdud: This "Type 95 assault rifle" thread was started by me, and I was actually mean't to write on the title "Type 95 assault rifle or new rifle" but I accidentally pressed enter and then I couldn't change the title. On the first post in this thread that I wrote it said that this thread was about a possible modification to the existing Type 95 to be maybe designated Type 95A. Or an ideal new conventional layout rifle for the PLA. Discussing your opionions an ideas. So Sumdud I actually did stick with the genre of this thread but it wasn't to the title. So your right and I'm right.

Sorry for this mix up Sumdud. I can't change the title so it will be confusing and will cause mix up, but try to bear in mind. Anyway lets get back to this thread the Type 95 rifle.
> Make the Type 95 magazine translucent plastic
> Change the location of the reloading trigger maybe the right handside of the rifle? (Suggestions would be good here)
> Rubber cushioning on the stock to absorb automatic fire to increase accuracy.