Type 95 Assault Rifle II

Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

The only flaw that the Type 95 assualt rifle has is its inability to be used by left handers. This is common in most bullpup design anyway. I'm still wondering how are they going to fire around the corner on the right handside of the building in urban environments? Since firing around the right hand corner requires a left handered shooter, or for the right hander shooter which exposes more of its body just to get the rifle around the corner as if it was the left handed shooter it could fire around the corner and still be in cover. So the question is what happens here, in scenario where a left handed shooter must be needed? PLA are taught to fire with their right hand wouldn't it be handy to have some left handed shooters in the group? Another factor is what happens if the shooter must change its grip if required to switch from a right handed shooter position to a left handed position which the Type 95 flaw lies? This is the biggest concern of which I can possibly think of for the Type 95
 
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RedMercury

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The left hand corner problem really isn't a problem. If you're going to shoot around a corner, you're not aiming anyway, so you can just as easily shoot the gun upside-down or with your right arm going across your chest or with your chest facing to the left. The spent cartridges won't hit you either way. As with left handed shooters, there are none in the PLA. One advantage of teaching kids to write with their right hand only in school... Besides, shooting around (left) corners is probably much less common than shooting over an obstacle. If you're worried about MOUT performance of the type-95, you should start with the low cavity-volume of the 5.8mm round wound compared to 5.56 Nato and 5.45 Soviet.

re: madmax. Indeed the iron sights are also in the handle on the M16. I'm not sure if it is standard to mount optics on top of the handle or in replacement of the handle. With the Type-95, it seems it is standard to mount the optics on top of the handle, further increasing the height. So the problem could be sovled by a removable handle. But then again, the handle is covering/protecting the bolt lever. Maybe mount the optics on the left side? Then it rubs against the body when the gun is carried.:(
 
Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

RedMercury said:
The left hand corner problem really isn't a problem. If you're going to shoot around a corner, you're not aiming anyway, so you can just as easily shoot the gun upside-down or with your right arm going across your chest or with your chest facing to the left. The spent cartridges won't hit you either way. As with left handed shooters, there are none in the PLA. One advantage of teaching kids to write with their right hand only in school... Besides, shooting around (left) corners is probably much less common than shooting over an obstacle. If you're worried about MOUT performance of the type-95, you should start with the low cavity-volume of the 5.8mm round wound compared to 5.56 Nato and 5.45 Soviet.

re: madmax. Indeed the iron sights are also in the handle on the M16. I'm not sure if it is standard to mount optics on top of the handle or in replacement of the handle. With the Type-95, it seems it is standard to mount the optics on top of the handle, further increasing the height. So the problem could be sovled by a removable handle. But then again, the handle is covering/protecting the bolt lever. Maybe mount the optics on the left side? Then it rubs against the body when the gun is carried.:(
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I was referring to the right hand corner. Sorry for the mix up. So what is the result the same? What about the change in the grip if required to switch from a right handed shooter position to a left handed in a particular scenario? About the optics or scope problem the handle on the Type 95 could have slits so that the optics or scope could be placed on the back of the handle near the shooters face and the front part of the handle could have a hole for the scope to see through. This sounds confusing I know so just look at the G36 rifle and you would understand what I'm talking about.
 
sumdud

sumdud

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Yea, but I don't think exposing 2 more inches of face does much, just my opinion.

I guess PAP will have 2 use counter clockwise tactics only then.....

Doubt you can fit a G36 style scope, since the scope will be so far back, there's no space for the face.
 
The_Zergling

The_Zergling

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Chengdu J-10 said:
The only flaw that the Type 95 assualt rifle has is its inability to be used by left handers. This is common in most bullpup design anyway.
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Actually if I remember correctly the FAMAS and AUG are both ambidextrous, so it's not a problem with the bullpup design itself, just that the Chinese never felt they needed it what with left-handers being the spawn of satan.

Speaking of corners being a problem for left-handers though, the opposite problem is true for right-handers. When going up a flight of stairs that ascend clockwise right-handers are exposed before they can fire, and for counter-clockwise left-handers are exposed. I could see this being a big problem for SWAT teams storming a building - do they have a mix of left and right handed shooters in each team just in case?
 
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Scratch

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Chengdu J-10, if I understand your problem right, you can just position the rifle at your left shoulder. Then you would reach with your right lower arm across your chest to fire. The emtpy rounds would then clash against the wall and the position may not be extremely comfortable, but war in general isn't :)

Regarding the Type-95 sight, I too, don't think putting one atop the handle will expose you that much more. For CQB you could fit one at the front end like the US
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Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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The_Zergling said:
Actually if I remember correctly the FAMAS and AUG are both ambidextrous, so it's not a problem with the bullpup design itself, just that the Chinese never felt they needed it what with left-handers being the spawn of satan.

Speaking of corners being a problem for left-handers though, the opposite problem is true for right-handers. When going up a flight of stairs that ascend clockwise right-handers are exposed before they can fire, and for counter-clockwise left-handers are exposed. I could see this being a big problem for SWAT teams storming a building - do they have a mix of left and right handed shooters in each team just in case?
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That was what I was trying to say. What happens here when a left handed shooter is needed and all the Chinese SWAT has are right handed shooters? They should train up some left handed shooters shouldn't they?
 
The_Zergling

The_Zergling

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Chengdu J-10 said:
That was what I was trying to say. What happens here when a left handed shooter is needed and all the Chinese SWAT has are right handed shooters? They should train up some left handed shooters shouldn't they?
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Well I'm not sure exactly what methods SWAT teams use to storm buildings, and whether or not those based in different countries make provisions depending on the direction stairs go in. Realistically China probably doesn't need an ambidextrous rifle as much as other more socially liberalized countries (on the other hand the US army uses a right-handed rifle as well), but it all depends on the tactics.
 
Chengdu J-10

Chengdu J-10

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

The_Zergling said:
Well I'm not sure exactly what methods SWAT teams use to storm buildings, and whether or not those based in different countries make provisions depending on the direction stairs go in. Realistically China probably doesn't need an ambidextrous rifle as much as other more socially liberalized countries (on the other hand the US army uses a right-handed rifle as well), but it all depends on the tactics.
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This is what I think should happen in the PLA:
1) Type 95 should have removable handle
2) Type 95 should only be equipped to the armour division (tank, APC, artilery crew), paratroops, marines and navy. Due to the rifle is shorter in lenght which is handy for APC crews due to confined space in the vhecile same for Paratroops.
3) The bulk of the ground force should stick with convential rifle layout. Not the Type 81 or 03 but a new convential rifle design. Possibly a reconfigured Type 95, with the handle where the magazine is currently at, and the magazine is currently at.
4) The new convential rifle for the infantry should have an inbuilt removable scope in the handle simular to the G36, but is removable for nigh vision scope or red dot sights to be attached or replaced. And a foldable or retracktable stock like the M4 carbine or the G36 where the stock is foldable. But the stock isn't solid, but has holes in it to reduce weight.
5) The Type 95 carbine version and JS submachine gun (haven't seen any pics being equipped to troops) should be equipped with Special forces from the army.
6) PAP SWAT should be equipped with conventional submachine guns. MP5 sort of style but redesiged for Chinese ammunition and more Chinese influence into the rifle.
7) Train small group of left handed shooters for each SWAT division.
8) Equip the bulk of the PLA with SWAT type helmets, where the helmet slopes down to cover the ears.
9) Have more helmet sizes for the troop in order for better fitting.
 
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ahho

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Chengdu J-10 said:
This is what I think should happen in the PLA:
1) Type 95 should have removable handle
2) Type 95 should only be equipped to the armour division (tank, APC, artilery crew), paratroops, marines and navy. Due to the rifle is shorter in lenght which is handy for APC crews due to confined space in the vhecile same for Paratroops.
3) The bulk of the ground force should stick with convential rifle layout. Not the Type 81 or 03 but a new convential rifle design. Possibly a reconfigured Type 95, with the handle where the magazine is currently at, and the magazine is currently at.
4) The new convential rifle for the infantry should have an inbuilt removable scope in the handle simular to the G36, but is removable for nigh vision scope or red dot sights to be attached or replaced. And a foldable or retracktable stock like the M4 carbine or the G36 where the stock is foldable. But the stock isn't solid, but has holes in it to reduce weight.
5) The Type 95 carbine version and JS submachine gun (haven't seen any pics being equipped to troops) should be equipped with Special forces from the army.
6) PAP SWAT should be equipped with conventional submachine guns. MP5 sort of style but redesiged for Chinese ammunition and more Chinese influence into the rifle.
7) Train small group of left handed shooters for each SWAT division.
8) Equip the bulk of the PLA with SWAT type helmets, where the helmet slopes down to cover the ears.
9) Have more helmet sizes for the troop in order for better fitting.
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your suggestions is pretty good, but for #3 why not the type-03 conventional design?? i mean you can fit all those scopes on it, why would you need a new layout (or the type-95 layout). I don't think it helps production anyways
 
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