Type 95 Assault Rifle II

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Ryz05 said:

Nice pictures! The second, third, and fifth pictures are especially exicting because they seem to be made by CCTV, the official government news portal. It seems like the Type 03 is in service with mainly PAP units alongside the Type 95. However, those pictures could still document experimental fieldings, so more words have to come out before the Type 03 is confirmed to be in service.

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I don't know what you mean by experiment fielding.
The second and third pic comes from a very recent exercise. We can assume the whole regiment is equipped with Type-03 and being a "Hero Regiment" I don't see why they couldn't opt for type 95 if they wanted.

I don't know why everyone is against the 03. Its a refinement over the type-81 which is battle tested and have proven its rugged design.

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The second and third pictures show the Type 95 as well, so the Type 03 is probably serving concurrently. By experimental fieldings, I mean by how the soldiers respond to the weapons in the field, and decide later on whether to put the weapon into service based on soldiers' opinions.

The Type 03 is a further development of the Type 87, which has some common parts with the Type 81, I heard, so it should be cheaper to produce. If soldiers favor a conventional weapon over the bullpup, then there's no reason to field the Type 03. However, it might just be that they are not used to wielding a bullpup, and it will simply take some time for them to like it. In anycase, bullpup is a favored design in close quarter battles, and I heard it's liked by the SOF.

For the PLA to field both the Type 03 and Type 95 at the same time is unusual, since it'll create a headache for logistics when determining which parts to sent for repairs. I think the current fieldings might be experimental in trying out new tactics, similar to how the PLA fielded both the SKS and the AK-47 during the war in Vietnam - one is better for short range, the other for longer range shooting.

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Ryz05 said:

The second and third pictures show the Type 95 as well, so the Type 03 is probably serving concurrently. By experimental fieldings, I mean by how the soldiers respond to the weapons in the field, and decide later on whether to put the weapon into service based on soldiers' opinions.

The Type 03 is a further development of the Type 87, which has some common parts with the Type 81, I heard, so it should be cheaper to produce. If soldiers favor a conventional weapon over the bullpup, then there's no reason to field the Type 03. However, it might just be that they are not used to wielding a bullpup, and it will simply take some time for them to like it. In anycase, bullpup is a favored design in close quarter battles, and I heard it's liked by the SOF.

For the PLA to field both the Type 03 and Type 95 at the same time is unusual, since it'll create a headache for logistics when determining which parts to sent for repairs. I think the current fieldings might be experimental in trying out new tactics, similar to how the PLA fielded both the SKS and the AK-47 during the war in Vietnam - one is better for short range, the other for longer range shooting.

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That's not type 95 assult rifle but the squad automatic rifle. The SAW version.
There's no Squad Auto rifle for type 03.

It's not concurrent fielding.

Two guns don't create that much logistics confusion or else there won't be M-4, AR-21 and carbine version in US army. In the case of Indians it's the INSAS and AK.

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hallo84 said:

That's not type 95 assult rifle but the squad automatic rifle. The SAW version.
There's no Squad Auto rifle for type 03.

It's not concurrent fielding.

Two guns don't create that much logistics confusion or else there won't be M-4, AR-21 and carbine version in US army. In the case of Indians it's the INSAS and AK.

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It looked like a Type 95 rifle, not a SAW, but I guess the bipod gave it away.

The frontline troops are all equipped with Type 95, so the pictures show just the PAP and border guards. More pictures or reports are needed to confirm that the Type 03 is in service, not just in trials. Most pictures still show PAP using the Type 81.

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Type 95 and Type 03 share common internal mechanisms so not much of a logistic issue.

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PrOeLiTeZ said:

Type 95 and Type 03 share common internal mechanisms so not much of a logistic issue.

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It's not just about individual parts that causes logistical complexities, but infantry training also must be considered. Just because a soldier knows how to fix and clean his Type 95, it does not mean he can do the same with the Type 03. Also, a soldier that uses the Type 95 is more comfortable with using it than another who's been using a Type 03.

Judging from the pictures, China might have let the Type 03 be in limited service with the PAP and some border guards. The PLA seems to have fully switched to the Type 95, as all the frontline units are equipped with the weapon. Since the PAP is not going to see much armoured combat, and the border police not much urban combat, Type 03 is good enough. It also does not need much getting used to since it's operationally like the Type 81. However, most of the PAP units are still using and training with the Type 81. It is reasonable to assume that the PAP adapts the Type 03 even though it's different from what the PLA is using, because some equipments are different between the PAP and the PLA, such as with the , which is used solely by the PAP. Finally, the Type 03 is cheaper to produce since it shares parts common with the Type 81, having been developed from the Type 87.

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Ryz05 said:

It's not just about individual parts that causes logistical complexities, but infantry training also must be considered. Just because a soldier knows how to fix and clean his Type 95, it does not mean he can do the same with the Type 03. Also, a soldier that uses the Type 95 is more comfortable with using it than another who's been using a Type 03.

Judging from the pictures, China might have let the Type 03 be in limited service with the PAP and some border guards. The PLA seems to have fully switched to the Type 95, as all the frontline units are equipped with the weapon. Since the PAP is not going to see much armoured combat, and the border police not much urban combat, Type 03 is good enough. It also does not need much getting used to since it's operationally like the Type 81. However, most of the PAP units are still using and training with the Type 81. It is reasonable to assume that the PAP adapts the Type 03 even though it's different from what the PLA is using, because some equipments are different between the PAP and the PLA, such as with the

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, which is used solely by the PAP. Finally, the Type 03 is cheaper to produce since it shares parts common with the Type 81, having been developed from the Type 87.

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By logistics means I mean replacement parts within the rifles internal mechanism, magazines and ammunition are the same. If you want to get into the transition for soldiers then thats a different argument all together. If one can strip field the Type 81 then one can mostly do the same to Type 03.

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Infantry training must be considered with the logistics as well. For example, a Type 99 tank cannot be sent to a place where tankers only know how to operate the Type 59. Similarly, if Type 95 is fielded alongside the Type 03, infantry must know how to wield both and that's going to cause complications.

I think China is having the PLA use the Type 95, while the PAP will use the Type 03. Special forces in the PAP will use Type 95 and its derivatives, but it appears that most armed police units such as the mobile divisions and some border guards, will use Type 03. Most however, are currently still using the Type 81 in the PAP.

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This is interesting. New models? I see a combination of the M-16, AK-47, 88 sniper rifle in all these 95 versions.

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No, these were different designs entered into the competition that the Type-95 eventually won.