Type 95 Assault Rifle II

Ryz05

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Bayoneting is not practical on the modern battlefield, so armies seem to be moving away from that concept by designing bullpups. Even units specializing in close quarter battles bring pistols instead of fixing bayonets on their rifles. Otherwise, the modern bayonets could well be used as combat knives instead, held in the hand instead of secured on a rifle.

It seems that the Type 03 will not enter service afterall. You never see that weapon on official PLA pictures by the government and on PLA daily, and it's five years since. Earlier pictures might just indicate experimental fieldings. Type 95 is going to be the standard infantry weapon for the next 20 years. This is also well demonstrated by the many pictures glorifying the Chinese soldier carrying the Type 95, so a personality has already developed, much like the AK-47 or M16.
 
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hallo84

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Bayoneting is not practical on the modern battlefield, so armies seem to be moving away from that concept by designing bullpups. Even units specializing in close quarter battles bring pistols instead of fixing bayonets on their rifles. Otherwise, the modern bayonets could well be used as combat knives instead, held in the hand instead of secured on a rifle.

It seems that the Type 03 will not enter service afterall. You never see that weapon on official PLA pictures by the government and on PLA daily, and it's five years since. Earlier pictures might just indicate experimental fieldings. Type 95 is going to be the standard infantry weapon for the next 20 years. This is also well demonstrated by the many pictures glorifying the Chinese soldier carrying the Type 95, so a personality has already developed, much like the AK-47 or M16.

Type 03 is already issued with PAP, boarder patrol units in Hei Long Jiang province, and PLA SF units.

Already debut on CCTV-7
 

Ryz05

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

That's something new. Do you have links to confirm that? Aren't many of the border patrol units and PAP using the Type 81 still? Why are the special forces using Type 03? I've never seen pictures of that. Isn't the Type 95 better for urban warfare and so should be more ideal for SF units? If the Type 03 is in service like you said, then it must be due to cost and time saving measures associated with the manufacture and training of the Type 95, and also to have the same calibre bullet to simplify logistics.
 

Pointblank

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Bayoneting is not practical on the modern battlefield, so armies seem to be moving away from that concept by designing bullpups.

Maybe you should tell these British soldiers that:

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Platoon-scale bayonet charge was British Army's first since the Falklands:

Friday 18 March 2005

telegraph.co.uk

'I bayoneted people. It was me or them'
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 18/03/2005)

The daring and bravery shown in Iraq by the men of 1 Bn, the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment were so outstanding that their battlegroup receives no fewer than 37 of the honours awarded today.

They include 33 gallantry awards, among them the Victoria Cross awarded to Pte Johnson Beharry, two Conspicuous Gallantry Crosses, the second highest award for gallantry, 10 Military Crosses and 17 Mentions in Dispatches.

The succession of heroic actions under fire included the first bayonet charge since the Falklands Conflict and the 23-day defence of the former governor's residence in Amarah under siege from a continuous attack.

The gallantry awards have made the Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment (PWRR) the most decorated in the history of the British Army, with a total of 57 Victoria Crosses and a host of other medals.

Although formed in only 1992, it is the senior English regiment of the line, tracing its history back to 1572, and its forebear regiments have fought in virtually all the major campaigns in which the Army has taken part.

Lt-Col Matt Maer, CO of 1 Bn, the PWRR, described yesterday how his men were forced to fight every day for five months in Iraq, coming under 860 separate attacks, with 109 alone on one day.

On the first day of their deployment they found themselves drawn into a three-hour running battle with insurgents, he said. "We knew it was going to be a very long and very hot summer."

The steadfast defence by Y Company of the former provincial governor's residence in Amarah saw a number of Military Crosses awarded to the battlegroup, which also included Royal Welch Fusiliers.

Major Justin Featherstone, the Y company commander, who, despite repeatedly being told he could withdraw if he saw fit refused to do so, is among the 10 members of the battlegroup awarded the Military Cross.

But it was inevitably the bayonet charge, led by Sgt Chris Broome, from Trowbridge, Wilts, who is awarded the Conspicuous Gallantry Cross, that captured the imagination.

The three-hour battle during which it took place began on May 14 last year when a dozen gunmen ambushed nine soldiers from the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in a pair of armoured Land Rovers.

The Argylls were attacked on the road to Amarah, with insurgents repeatedly attacking the vehicles with small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades.

The Land Rovers sped through the ambushes only to come upon two dozen insurgents putting together an improvised roadside bomb.

Two platoons of the PWRR, a total of 40 men in four Warrior armoured vehicles, were sent from nearby Camp Condor to hunt down the bombers.

When they saw the insurgents waiting in ambush in foxholes alongside the road, the four infantry sections in the Warriors, 28 men in all, dismounted, carried out a flanking manoeuvre and charged the insurgents with fixed bayonets.

Cpl Mark Byles, 34, from Portsmouth, who is awarded the Military Cross, said: "The look on their faces was utter shock. They were under the impression we were going to lie in our ditch, shoot from a distance and they would run away.

"I slashed people, rifle-butted them. I was punching and kicking. It was either me or them. It didn't seem real. Anybody can pull a trigger from a distance, but we got up close and personal."
 

hallo84

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

That's something new. Do you have links to confirm that? Aren't many of the border patrol units and PAP using the Type 81 still? Why are the special forces using Type 03? I've never seen pictures of that. Isn't the Type 95 better for urban warfare and so should be more ideal for SF units? If the Type 03 is in service like you said, then it must be due to cost and time saving measures associated with the manufacture and training of the Type 95, and also to have the same calibre bullet to simplify logistics.
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SF use type-03 to replace type-81.
Very logical considering they want something they are familiar with.

PLA SF don't concentrate on urban warfare. That's PAP job.
SF exercises usually only involve force recce and target acquisition.
 

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Troika

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Maybe you should tell these British soldiers that:

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Not to denigrate the Scotsmen, I think we should put this in perspective. It was one incident of trained infantrymen against rabble. This isn't golden BB, but shouldn't be taken for general fact either. In most close-quarter combat that does occur with rifle, it is found that rifle butt stock get used far more often (incidentally modern assault rifles also not as good at that as older battlerifles, either).
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Here's news capture.


SF use type-03 to replace type-81.
Very logical considering they want something they are familiar with.

PLA SF don't concentrate on urban warfare. That's PAP job.
SF exercises usually only involve force recce and target acquisition.
Wrong Wrong Wrong...Urban warfare is not a PAP job its still PLA SF job. PAP is for civil unrest, terroism etc...War isnt terroism. PAP arent trained in the way of SF, firefights are longer and more gruelling. PAP are fast and intense. Type 95 was designed to benefit mostly due to ideal length in order for troops to carry in vehicles.

Type03 pictures I saw them to small batch was sent to some divisions for trial and evaluation. So the pictures most likely the initial trial exercise.

And the bayonet bullpup wasnt chosen over conventional just because bayonet wasnt neccessary anymore. They chose it cause of its compact size and manuverability.
 

Ryz05

Junior Member
Re: Type 95 assault rifle

Here's news capture.


SF use type-03 to replace type-81.
Very logical considering they want something they are familiar with.

PLA SF don't concentrate on urban warfare. That's PAP job.
SF exercises usually only involve force recce and target acquisition.

I've seen the first picture, which is an old one posted at least a year ago. The second picture is new, but the picture is too fuzzy to make any details of the gun the guy is carrying, so it could very well be a Type 81 instead. Also, the pictures don't depict SF soldiers at all, but PAP and probably new recruits. The pictures could still be showing experimental fieldings, so they do not confirm that the Type 03 is in service.

SF do focus on close quarter combat in urban environments, but also recon and target acquisition like you said. PAP also deals with urban combat, or border defence and anything that secures internal security. From pictures, it can be seen that most still use the Type 81, while only some elite units use Type 95. As for the SF, I've only seen them using the Type 95 in pictures, so I don't know where you get the information about the Type 03 being in service. From what I know so far, the Type 95 is the main rifle, and no Type 03 seems to be going into service.

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I've heard the news story about the British charging them with bayonets, which could've easily gotten them killed if the insurgents decided to shoot bullets. Also, the British could've wielded the combat knives in hand instead of fixing them as bayonets. Finally, don't the British use a bullpup rifle as well?
 
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hallo84

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Re: Type 95 assault rifle

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Ryz05

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Nice pictures! The second, third, and fifth pictures are especially exicting because they seem to be made by CCTV, the official government news portal. It seems like the Type 03 is in service with mainly PAP units alongside the Type 95. However, those pictures could still document experimental fieldings, so more words have to come out before the Type 03 is confirmed to be in service.
 
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