Type 95 Assault Rifle II

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The_Zergling said:

I would argue that you don't actually *need* 250,000 bullets to ensure a kill in modern combat. It's about good ammo control and target selection.

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Of course not. It actually includes the "fire training", "warning fire" and all kinds of things.

But modern warfare costs too much today, US GIs each month consume 5-10 million rounds in Iraq, enough for a war in the past.

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fishhead said:

Of course not. It actually includes the "fire training", "warning fire" and all kinds of things.

But modern warfare costs too much today, US GIs each month consume 5-10 million rounds in Iraq, enough for a war in the past.

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Well if your stats are right, it's very telling. It doesn't take more bullets to kill someone anymore - at least for the Iraqi situation given that the majority of the insurgents do not have decent body armor - and it's not like they can dodge bullets. I'm not sure whether or not tactical doctrine for urban warfare has changed much, but besides just shooting at everything that moves as soon as attacked, I can't understand why one would be able to expend ammunition that quickly.

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It's a puzzle for me as well for how GIs use such amount ammos. Guess they may shoot at any places suspected of insurgents when they conduct patrol.

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fishhead said:

It's a puzzle for me as well for how GIs use such amount ammos. Guess they may shoot at any places suspected of insurgents when they conduct patrol.

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That's a lot of rounds of small arms ammo. I know a lot is used in training and shooting qualifications. Heck, even the USN shoots a lot of small arms.

In the PLA does anyone know how much ammo the average foot solider uses in a year just training??

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bd popeye said:

In the PLA does anyone know how much ammo the average foot solider uses in a year just training??

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They're lucky if they can shoot couple of hundreds per year. In the good old days every PLA foot soldier was much eager for a bayonet charge than a combat of shooting each other - they prefer that to save dozen of rounds.

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According to most books in the later years of the Chinese Civil War and Korea the average PLA soldier carried 80 rounds of ammo. That's a descent amount of ammo but PLA logistics suck. The tactic of bayonet charge and save your ammo makes sense since if your going to hold your ground your going to need every round to defend it. As for the US in WW2 the Marines fighting the Japanese in the jungles us to tell replacements to shoot where the enemy might because they could always get more ammo but they might not get more riflemen. Which is kind of the problem in Iraq recruitment is down in the US and in 2-3 years the US will not have enough troops to send without extending deployment to 2yrs and cutting stateside time to less than a year. US troops waste ammo in Iraq on patrols where they fire off a couple rounds as warnings to civilian cars to make way for their hummers. Plus urban warfare will eat up a certain amount of ammo. If the insegents are holed up in a well constructed homes or buildings you'll have to expend more ammo on supressive fire to cover the assault teams.

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Watch this video, until 1991 PLA still widely conducted the bayonet combat practice. With the introduction of 95, do they abandon that tradition, or reintroduce that with 03 rifle?

The last bayonet charge of PLA was in 1962 war with Indian, which scared the hell out of them.

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Well, you still can do bayonet charge with Type-95, the last bayonet charge was conducted by British troops in the invasion if Iraq in 2003, a British platoon was pinned down by an Iraqi company, and the British ran out of ammo, so they fixed bayonet and charged, the Iraqi's didn't expect that and fled.

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Interesting. Is there a more detailed account of this on the web? I find it amusing that the Iraqis didn't just use their GPMGs to mow down the Brits.

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Correction, they didn't even run out of ammunition when they fixed bayonets and charged.