Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

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Atomicfrog

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proelite said:
Stern elevator at the beginning of the landing strip seems sus.
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They will need to have some heavy door closed at the stern to protect from an UAV getting in the hangar caused by a missed apprauch... but arresting cables are far ahead anyway. Finding it strange but still manageable if they have some protection there that are absent from 075 LHD.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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grulle said:
so are they going to continue building the 075s in parallel with the 076s? or just 076s from now on. either way, Jesus Christ Chinese military development is moving at lightning speed across ALL domains. A few years ago the Pentagon report characterized it as "relentless." Relentless indeed. The perfect word to describe it.
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Seeing that Hudong-Zhonghua's old site at Pudong is in the process of being dismantled, and with only one large drydock in service underneath Hudong-Zhonghua's banner at Changxin - It seems very likely that they would just discontinue the 075-class and proceed ahead with the 076-class.

Otherwise, there isn't anywhere else empty to permit the construction of both the 075s and 076s simultaneously.

In the meantime, the current rumor is that the 076 LHD will have 2 units for its first batch. The claim's authenticity is still yet to be confirmed.
 
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jwws

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They were so sure about it having angled deck, dual EMALS and no stern elevator, it's so frightening to see them claiming it have the same EMALS with CV Fujian now
 
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sheogorath

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Would be far fetched on my part of the role of the Type 076 is similar to the converted Izumos, with the the use of catapults to compensate for the lack of STOVLs but with the added benefit that it will be able to launch larger payloads than the Izumos?.
 
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proelite

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Atomicfrog said:
They will need to have some heavy door closed at the stern to protect from an UAV getting in the hangar caused by a missed apprauch... but arresting cables are far ahead anyway. Finding it strange but still manageable if they have some protection there that are absent from 075 LHD.
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Also two elevators aft very close to each makes no sense to me. Just one is sufficient, and the port side one seems to be the most logical for helicopter operations. I suppose the midship elevator would be for the fixed wing aircrafts.

One EMALS is also risky. You would want at least two for redundancy purposes. There is enough space in front of the fore island for a shorter catapult that can launch aircraft without impacting landing.

This ship can be a CATOBAR carrier with simultaneous launch and recovery.
 
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asif iqbal

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Latest illustration on what the 076 LHD could look like, based on what can be observed so far.

Made by @Yunno_G4312 on Twitter.

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double island with gap in-between?

this will seriously complicate the air operations

the draft and winds across and up and down and also the dynamics created due to two islands causes many local wind turbulences as the Royal Navy found

very risky and hard road to train the rotary wing operators on this kind off warship since China has not done it before

RN is training both South Korea and JMSDF in this area

if indeed China is going ahead with this design it shows some serious ambition
 
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Rag Shiba

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Why bother with an angled deck when the 076 is still very much an LHD in the first place (except with certain amount of additional aviation facilities)?

In fact, the number of fixed-wing aircrafts (both manned and unmanned) that will be fielded onboard the 076 LHD are much smaller than the number you typically see on proper CVs, apart from the fact whereby fixed-wing aircrafts will often occupy smaller portions of the entire airwing on the LHD (fixed-wing ≈ rotary if not fixed-wing < rotary) when compared to airwings onboard proper CVs (fixed-wing >>> rotary) anyway.

These two factors will result in a significantly lower rates of CATO and BAR operations for LHDs than proper CVs, which means an angled deck is not really a must-have for the 076.

This applies the same, even if/when the 076 LHD is to perform in the "lightning carrier" role similar to the America LHAs.
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My main concern regarding the lack of angled deck is recovery safety regardless of the rate which it recovers. I know a straight deck recovery can work but why have a stern left (I know that cold work too, however its still strange).

Also I came across a procurement paper (not sure if someone has posted on the previous pages) for the 076 which listed the elevator at 30ton capacity. If the information is accurate which suggest their intention to operate heavier aircraft / UAV.
 
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sutton999

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Only 20-ish meters left at the front, the orange short catapult is unlikely.
However, 2nd catapult (the red one) is still possible, 40-ish meters? The whole port side is for landing anyway in this setup.
No flame deflector is needed for the red catapult, it will blow towards the stern.
 
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valysre

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sutton999 said:
No flame deflector is needed for the red catapult, it will blow towards the stern.
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If there is to be a stern elevator (which does not seem to be certain yet), will a flame deflector be needed to enable simultaneous operations of stern elevator and the hypothetical red catapult in your annotated image?
 
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taxiya

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My main concern regarding the lack of angled deck is recovery safety regardless of the rate which it recovers. I know a straight deck recovery can work but why have a stern left (I know that cold work too, however its still strange).
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I would question the assumption of there being an angled deck before any further discussion. I mean for EM cat and IEPS, we have the bidding anouncement, but nothing for the angled deck except somebody's word, then lots of people just repeat it. It is like lots of people talked about CV-18 being nuclear untill last minute before we saw the smoke stack.

loc down said:
Also I came across a procurement paper (not sure if someone has posted on the previous pages) for the 076 which listed the elevator at 30ton capacity. If the information is accurate which suggest their intention to operate heavier aircraft / UAV.
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It is an elevator in the middle of the deck (yellow mark), the work is for update/change/adaptation (pink mark). It is most likely an adaptation from 075. So I don't think it can be used to indicate anything different from 075.
 
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