Type 076 LHD/LHA discussion

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Daniel707 said:
Is any possibility this Type 076 LHD-CVL to have some J-35 onboard in the future? @Bltizo

With note, that J-35 would be smaller in dimension from current J-15.
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I would be surprised if it did, because at that point you might as well build a full proper CATOBAR carrier.

The potential imo benefits of having a flying wing UCAV CATOBAR capability for a large LHD sized ship is that the endurance and range of a UCAV can make up for the relatively smaller size of the flight deck and reduced flight operations infrastructure (e.g. less catapults, I'd be surprised if it had more than one EM cat tbh) all of which will constrain flight ops tempo compared to a full size carrier.
 
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weig2000 said:
071/075/076 will open up the opportunity for amphibious assault from the east coast of Taiwan, with the support of carrier fleet(s).
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No, that would be stupid. Look at Taiwan's geography. The great majority of flat land is on the west side of the Taiwan Island. There will be very little need for a east side amphibious assault. Even with the current PLAN capability, there will be enough for an east side amphibious assault. What's more important is aircraft carriers blocking off the US from supplying Taiwan from the East.
 
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jimmyjames30x30 said:
No, that would be stupid. Look at Taiwan's geography. The great majority of flat land is on the west side of the Taiwan Island. There will be very little need for a east side amphibious assault. Even with the current PLAN capability, there will be enough for an east side amphibious assault. What's more important is aircraft carriers blocking off the US from supplying Taiwan from the East.
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I don't want to turn this thread into a Taiwan contingency discussion, so just add two quick points for you to learn and digest:

1. Taiwan's annual major military exercise Han Kuang Exercise has one item: anti-landing at Yilan, which is located on the east coast and is close to New Taipei area, connecting through 13 km tunnel. Yilan has some backup and reserve troop to support the front line troop at the Northeast of Taiwan in case PLA lands there. Su'ao port in Yilan is Taiwan's largest navy port where its largest fleet and all four Kidd-class destroyers are home-based there.

2. Chiashan Air Base at Hualien, also on the east coast, is Taiwan's strategic air base, where it parks and hides its high-valued aircraft. They're supposedly shielded from PLA attack from the west by the mountains. Also, when PLA lands on Taiwan and the war is lost, Taiwan has the plan to gather their high-valued aircraft at Chiashan Air Base and escape to Philippine or Japan.

By the way, be careful with your language. If you don't understand or clueless, you can always ask politely. Avoid using words like "stupid."
 
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If they are going thru all trouble of installing a catapult and retrieval system, it just make sense that it will provide the ability to also launch manned aircrafts even in a limited number. The US LHA/LHD can play multiple roles such as troop beach/air assualt (6 stol) or as a mini carrier(20 stol) for sea patrol. Having duel use LHA will allow PLAN to surge on the carrier side if it is threaten by a foreign force in SCS or at some other critical sea lane far away from China.
 
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weig2000 said:
I don't want to turn this thread into a Taiwan contingency discussion, so just add two quick points for you to learn and digest:

1. Taiwan's annual major military exercise Han Kuang Exercise has one item: anti-landing at Yilan, which is located on the east coast and is close to New Taipei area, connecting through 13 km tunnel. Yilan has some backup and reserve troop to support the front line troop at the Northeast of Taiwan in case PLA lands there. Su'ao port in Yilan is Taiwan's largest navy port where its largest fleet and all four Kidd-class destroyers are home-based there.

2. Chiashan Air Base at Hualien, also on the east coast, is Taiwan's strategic air base, where it parks and hides its high-valued aircraft. They're supposedly shielded from PLA attack from the west by the mountains. Also, when PLA lands on Taiwan and the war is lost, Taiwan has the plan to gather their high-valued aircraft at Chiashan Air Base and escape to Philippine or Japan.

By the way, be careful with your language. If you don't understand or clueless, you can always ask politely. Avoid using words like "stupid."
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None of what you listed here support the need of a very large amphibious assault on the East Coast requiring a large number Naval amphibious capital ship more than what China has and is currently building.

1. Taiwan itself does not have the capability to build capital ships. Finishing off most of Taiwanese major combatant ships in or close to its home ports in Yilin would be enough, with the current naval capability of the PLAN.

2. A powerful enough navy-to-land strike would be enough to incapacitate Chiashan Air Base, preventing their ultimate escape. Though I am not sure whether even that's necessary.
 
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li450274625 said:
I would rather call it “unmanned aircraft” carrier.
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I've just remembered that a few months ago, we had a discussion on the operational characteristics of unmanned drones and aircraft carriers.

Starting from page 33 with Bltizo's post

Future PLAN naval and carrier operations

The advantage of an SSGN is that it should be able to close to within 200km of a target undetected. Then it can launch a much larger numbers of missiles - because each missile is a lot smaller and cheaper. The gist of it is if we take the assumption that with current technology intercepting a...
www.sinodefenceforum.com

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In one of my posts, just replace:

VLCC = Type-76 drone carrier
Valkyrie = GJ-11 stealth drone

And of course, to update the costings
 
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jimmyjames30x30 said:
None of what you listed here support the need of a very large amphibious assault on the East Coast requiring a large number Naval amphibious capital ship more than what China has and is currently building.

1. Taiwan itself does not have the capability to build capital ships. Finishing off most of Taiwanese major combatant ships in or close to its home ports in Yilin would be enough, with the current naval capability of the PLAN.

2. A powerful enough navy-to-land strike would be enough to incapacitate Chiashan Air Base, preventing their ultimate escape. Though I am not sure whether even that's necessary.
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Not appropriate for this thread, shut it down now please.
 
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AndrewS said:
I've just remembered that a few months ago, we had a discussion on the operational characteristics of unmanned drones and aircraft carriers.

Starting from page 33 with Bltizo's post

Future PLAN naval and carrier operations

The advantage of an SSGN is that it should be able to close to within 200km of a target undetected. Then it can launch a much larger numbers of missiles - because each missile is a lot smaller and cheaper. The gist of it is if we take the assumption that with current technology intercepting a...
www.sinodefenceforum.com

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In one of my posts, just replace:

VLCC = Type-76 drone carrier
Valkyrie = GJ-11 stealth drone

And of course, to update the costings
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The 076 concept when paired with a "navalized GJ-11" is quite different in scale and magnitude to the idea of launching Valkyrie drones from VLCC ships.

Yes, they're both technically "drones" launched from "ships" but that's about where the similarities end.



The 076 concept described is very much a dedicated naval ship -- a large LHD -- but whose fixed wing combat aircraft complement is conducted via flying wing UCAVs (launched and recovered via EM catapults and arresting gear) instead of manned VSTOL aircraft.

In spirit, this concept is far closer to a standard large LHD but with the addition of the ability to launch and recover high end UCAVs (after all GJ-11 is on quite a different tier to Valkyrie).
 
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Some latest information regarding this Type 076 LHA :

The source in China mentioned that Type-076 will be one hell of a LHA.

The ship will has a displacement of over 60,000 or more tonnes, the largest LHA in the world, even larger than most CVs saved for the super carriers.

And the LHA will equip with EMALS and all advanced UCAVs, very exciting development.

According to the sources, the arrival of Type-076 will not stop the production of Type-072 and Type-075, or future Chinese super carriers, basically we want them all.

Its one hottest topic in China's military BBS forum now

The other hot topic around China now is the confirmation from some reliable sources that China has two stealth bombers projects running at rapid progress, one supersonic and one subsonic.

Credit to @52051


Take it with grain of salt anyway ;)
 
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