Type 022 Missile Boat

Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?

szbd said:

I just don't understand why PLAN so desperately want so many of these expensive missile boats.

Talking about hovercrafts, I think Zubr is super cool. China should get a big load of this, expensive though. It can hit the beach head from Fujian within 2 hours, good lift ability, tremendous firepower and some armor. But does its AAW missile have the ability to shoot down AShW missiles?

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Last year the PRC orderd six of this craft.



Very few Zubr have been built. Fewer than twenty in fact. Check this source for more info.

Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?

szbd said:

I just don't understand why PLAN so desperately want so many of these expensive missile boats.

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Under the cover of land air, in the Straits or in the China Sea, these numbers of stealthy, fast, and heavily armed small missile craft would be ideal for massed attacks against larger surface units or task forces of other country's entering those waters. Like in the event of conflict over Taiwan.

Like I said, I believe they would have to have a significant land air umbrella, but in those waters they would have such an umbrella from the mainland.

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Yeah I heard of this. Don't know how long it will take Russians to build them. Then PLAN or PLA will test them, develop doctrine and tactics, then try to build our own. Long way to go. Now the direct amphibious assult ability of China is really low.

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Jeff Head said:

Under the cover of land air, in the Straits or in the China Sea, these numbers of stealthy, fast, and heavily armed small missile craft would be ideal for massed attacks against larger surface units or task forces of other country's entering those waters. Like in the event of conflict over Taiwan.

Like I said, I believe they would have to have a significant land air umbrella, but in those waters they would have such an umbrella from the mainland.

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But other navies are very unlikely to enter those waters because land based air assult is much more powerful than those boats can provide. I know they can do some good, but I just don't understand why PLAN acquires them in such a shocking speed like they are very important.

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szbd said:

But other navies are very unlikely to enter those waters because land based air assult is much more powerful than those boats can provide. I know they can do some good, but I just don't understand why PLAN acquires them in such a shocking speed like they are very important.

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Small attack boats need to operate in pack. That's why you need a large number of them to attack succesfully.

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Thinking about it, a costal defense concept. What I mean is you can defend your cost:
1.) with land based AShM. These are not as mobile as 022 and the missiles have to go a longer range, since they come from the shore.
2.)Aircraft, wich are however difficult to hide while loitering. They'd have to do that at very low alt, where fuel will be consumed rather fast.

Stealthy missile boats can loiter somewhere in the straits. They can be closer to a potential target and therefore strike faster. (less missile flight time)
Two to four in a wolfpack could do a quiet effective job.

Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?

szbd said:

But other navies are very unlikely to enter those waters because land based air assult is much more powerful than those boats can provide. I know they can do some good, but I just don't understand why PLAN acquires them in such a shocking speed like they are very important.

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I believe, in the event of a conflict over Taiwan, that there is a very HIGH chance that other nation's navies will interdict and come into the China Sea. The US Navy will first send subs in to clear away surface and sub threats and then enter with CSGs and SAGs close to Taiwan from the East. Japan has also indicated support for Taiwan and could very easily get involved. They have a very powerful surface fleet.

In that event, many packs of 022's (4-8 vessels per group), with land air support, could pose a significant threat. That's all. I believe they are being constructed in large numbers with this type of thing in mind.

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Jeff Head said:

I believe, in the event of a conflict over Taiwan, that there is a very HIGH chance that other nation's navies will interdict and come into the China Sea. The US Navy will first send subs in to clear away surface and sub threats and then enter with CSGs and SAGs close to Taiwan from the East. Japan has also indicated support for Taiwan and could very easily get involved. They have a very powerful surface fleet.

In that event, many packs of 022's (4-8 vessels per group), with land air support, could pose a significant threat. That's all. I believe they are being constructed in large numbers with this type of thing in mind.

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I'm sure PLAN is aware if any conflict over Taiwan occurs, US subs will be roaming the area. With that in mind, how hard would it be to have 022s carry torpedos in the two boxes as opposed to missiles? Now you got a pack of PT boats which would seriously complicate the USN's mission. And that would be a very cheap method of keeping the subs at bay.

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hmmmm, scratch made a good point. It's a low cost measure to get a bunch of missiles ready for action.

To Jeff, why would USN enter the range of China's land based air assult?

1. It demands aircrafts to defence the fleet, hence less aircrafts in attack mission.

2. Risk, of course.

3. If you wanna attack China's land bases like airfields, harbors, it can be done by crusier missiles.

The best option for both China and US to put the other side out of the theater is a full scale preemptive attack. That will lead to a long term war status between the two countries, which is against the interest of the whole world, especially these two countries. So both countries will be very causious to give that order. By staying rather far away from China's coast, USN can safely use her aircrafts and ships to defend Taiwan's sky. In the mean time, thousands of tomahawks will get ready. I think this is a very favorable situation for USN.

Regarding Japan. I am a Chinese and I'm living in Japan. I am sure they will not initiate any direct fire to China. USN can retrieve anytime, but Japan can not move. If Japan entered war against China, they will just get anything other than WMD from China, anything that can reach them. The Chinese leader MUST show his people "we didn't spare them this time" before it's too late to keep the integrity of his government and his own body.

And Japan is not a country ready for war. People believe the top priority of this country is stay peace. Her soldiers are probably paid the highest in the world but anybody enters a military academy is generally considered as a loser. I asked many people but only got one answer for the question "why did Japan send troops to Iraq": American pressure.

Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?

joshuatree said:

I'm sure PLAN is aware if any conflict over Taiwan occurs, US subs will be roaming the area. With that in mind, how hard would it be to have 022s carry torpedos in the two boxes as opposed to missiles? Now you got a pack of PT boats which would seriously complicate the USN's mission. And that would be a very cheap method of keeping the subs at bay.

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How could those boats find the subs? And how could they survive from other USN forces covering the subs?