Type 022 Missile Boat
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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
I see the Type 22 more like support ships for the main fleet, rather than missile armed patrol boats. There is quite clearly a lack of targeting radar. Even patrol boats with missiles carry some sort of targeting radar like the Tarantulas, despite the ungainly sight of the oversized Mineral radars.
I see the ships working as a pack and being controlled and vectored by a larger ship, which acts like a water born AWACS. As such the bigger ship, as well as helos and MPAs, will supply the target information to the Type 22s. I'm surprised if they would need their speedl, for high speed dashes. Their stealth makes them look like canoes in the radar, and YJ-83s---the most likely missile used---has more than enough range.
I see the Type 22 more like support ships for the main fleet, rather than missile armed patrol boats. There is quite clearly a lack of targeting radar. Even patrol boats with missiles carry some sort of targeting radar like the Tarantulas, despite the ungainly sight of the oversized Mineral radars.
I see the ships working as a pack and being controlled and vectored by a larger ship, which acts like a water born AWACS. As such the bigger ship, as well as helos and MPAs, will supply the target information to the Type 22s. I'm surprised if they would need their speedl, for high speed dashes. Their stealth makes them look like canoes in the radar, and YJ-83s---the most likely missile used---has more than enough range.
AmiGanguli
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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
Why not actual AWACS? Imagine the AWACS flying under cover of mainland-based defences. Possibly even 50k inland rather than over the water. They can still map out targets all the way across the straight.
... Ami.
Why not actual AWACS? Imagine the AWACS flying under cover of mainland-based defences. Possibly even 50k inland rather than over the water. They can still map out targets all the way across the straight.
... Ami.
Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
AWACS blows when it comes to covering surface objects or even low flying objects. Thats because the fuselage and the wings get in the way, and the dome offers offers very limited depression of the radar to scan for surface or low flying targets. Once an aircraft gets closer to it from a lower altitude, it passes beyond this point of view. That's why an AWACS has to be set in a distance, way behind, so that the surface will still be in the field of view within the limited depression of the radar.
That is why you need a seperate set of aircraft with the radar either in the nose, underneath the nose or set in the side in the cheeks, or underneath the plane, in order to scan the surface. Y-8s, Y-7s, helos, other ships, even H-6s and subs. OTH radars also help. These assets do not need to provide accurate targeting, they only need to provide the general location of the target so that you can give a way point for the AshM. Once the AshM reaches the way point, it can activate its seeker and find targets within a roughly 40-60km radius. That's a huge basket, only limited by the radar horizon.
AWACS blows when it comes to covering surface objects or even low flying objects. Thats because the fuselage and the wings get in the way, and the dome offers offers very limited depression of the radar to scan for surface or low flying targets. Once an aircraft gets closer to it from a lower altitude, it passes beyond this point of view. That's why an AWACS has to be set in a distance, way behind, so that the surface will still be in the field of view within the limited depression of the radar.
That is why you need a seperate set of aircraft with the radar either in the nose, underneath the nose or set in the side in the cheeks, or underneath the plane, in order to scan the surface. Y-8s, Y-7s, helos, other ships, even H-6s and subs. OTH radars also help. These assets do not need to provide accurate targeting, they only need to provide the general location of the target so that you can give a way point for the AshM. Once the AshM reaches the way point, it can activate its seeker and find targets within a roughly 40-60km radius. That's a huge basket, only limited by the radar horizon.
panzerkom
Junior Member
Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
I think what he meant by AWACS is just an airborne surveillance and control aircraft. IIRC, the PLAN does have several Y-8 fitted with the same radar system found on the British Nimrod.
Anyways, I think the USN EP-3s and P-3s flying up and down the Chinese coast would be busy gathering the electronic and radar signature of these boats right as we speak.
I think what he meant by AWACS is just an airborne surveillance and control aircraft. IIRC, the PLAN does have several Y-8 fitted with the same radar system found on the British Nimrod.
Anyways, I think the USN EP-3s and P-3s flying up and down the Chinese coast would be busy gathering the electronic and radar signature of these boats right as we speak.
Eurofighter
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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
this is what I thought...here is a picture to illustrate the idea (the pic is quite old though...)
this is what I thought...here is a picture to illustrate the idea (the pic is quite old though...)
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AmiGanguli
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Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC
Yes, that's what I had in mind.
I guess I can't help thinking that any large vessel in the straights would be a sitting duck, at least in the early part of a conflict. The 022s would be harder to hit, and are also more expendable.
Not having their own radar on would also make them harder to target.
... Ami.
Yes, that's what I had in mind.
I guess I can't help thinking that any large vessel in the straights would be a sitting duck, at least in the early part of a conflict. The 022s would be harder to hit, and are also more expendable.
Not having their own radar on would also make them harder to target.
... Ami.
szbd
Junior Member
What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?
I know this sounds quite ridiculous but I still think it's possible. See, it's stealthy, fast, can sustain relatively high see condition. It can reach Taiwan's beach head directly from Fujian within 2 hours with a very high survivability. The type 630 can be a very good surpport weapon in landing assult, well yeah it's an overkill but it also can do it's orginal job.
Yeah it has a radar and it wastes a lot of space for a landing craft. But it still can carry say 100 troops. The radar may be for detect enemy electronic signals and the missile could be some small size RAM to take out land based AShW batteries.
I know this sounds quite ridiculous but I still think it's possible. See, it's stealthy, fast, can sustain relatively high see condition. It can reach Taiwan's beach head directly from Fujian within 2 hours with a very high survivability. The type 630 can be a very good surpport weapon in landing assult, well yeah it's an overkill but it also can do it's orginal job.
Yeah it has a radar and it wastes a lot of space for a landing craft. But it still can carry say 100 troops. The radar may be for detect enemy electronic signals and the missile could be some small size RAM to take out land based AShW batteries.
Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?
P(type 22 = landing craft) is nil...
It is a missile boat
But the concept of highspeed landing craft has its lucarativies, but hovercfats are far superior than catamarans as they can field vehicle ramp that is essential to land motor vehicles to the shore...Also small LCHC type vessels can be attached to the new dock landing ship that presents the modern concept of amphibious assaults.
P(type 22 = landing craft) is nil...
It is a missile boat
But the concept of highspeed landing craft has its lucarativies, but hovercfats are far superior than catamarans as they can field vehicle ramp that is essential to land motor vehicles to the shore...Also small LCHC type vessels can be attached to the new dock landing ship that presents the modern concept of amphibious assaults.
szbd
Junior Member
Re: What is the probability that 022 is actually a landing craft?
I just don't understand why PLAN so desperately want so many of these expensive missile boats.
Talking about hovercrafts, I think Zubr is super cool. China should get a big load of this, expensive though. It can hit the beach head from Fujian within 2 hours, good lift ability, tremendous firepower and some armor. But does its AAW missile have the ability to shoot down AShW missiles?
I just don't understand why PLAN so desperately want so many of these expensive missile boats.
Talking about hovercrafts, I think Zubr is super cool. China should get a big load of this, expensive though. It can hit the beach head from Fujian within 2 hours, good lift ability, tremendous firepower and some armor. But does its AAW missile have the ability to shoot down AShW missiles?