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So it's a rolling chassis presently and not a flying one ? When the Block-10 prototype will be ready ?

If it's clearly just a rolling chassis... it look like an election PR stunt.
It's flightworthy, but the initial plan was not to fly it. That was to be reserved for the Block-10 prototype currently in production.

So no PR stunt, but the usual delays that come with such an advanced project.
 

Atomicfrog

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It has always been a ground test article (and a tech demonsrator). It is not a PR stunt. You could see that if you'd look at old project timelines.

It's just that at some point two years ago, they had figured flying it earlier could be useful to shorten the development.

Anyway, it happens. Even the maiden flight of that Anka- III drone got delayed by almost a full year but it eventually flew. It's always better to make sure nothing goes wrong than to rush everything.
It's just that unveiling followed by the hype of first flight at the end of 2023 is a bit misleading with the timing of the election. Being a ground test article is not wrong, it's just that not hyping it would have been a bit less deceptive.
 

Atomicfrog

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Elections were in May last year.

Go troll somewhere else please.
KAAN unveiling was first may 2023 , 2 weeks before election with all the hypes pilling up... not sure who's trolling. It's just that it was a very nice timing.

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I see it quite possible that some announcements where rushed. Politics push the agenda sometimes, and it's not to discredit anything achieved.
 
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It has always been a ground test article (and a tech demonstrator). It is not a PR stunt. You could see that if you'd look at old project timelines.

It's just that at some point two years ago, they had figured flying it earlier could be useful to shorten the development.

Anyway, it happens. Even the maiden flight of that Anka- III drone got delayed by almost a full year but it eventually flew. It's always better to make sure nothing goes wrong than to rush everything.

No comment...

Temel Kotil expects KAAN to fly before March ends.

Kotil:

"It would not be right for me to give an exact date for the domestic fighter jet to take off. Testing continues. No problem. We expect KAAN to take off before March"

Haluk Görgün:

"The work is progressing smoothly. Claims that there is an engine problem are not true. Everything is fine. Engine tests and ground tests are carried out. Avionic systems are working smoothly and are being tested. There are certain procedures. There are things to do after flying. We are focused on healthy production, it would be wrong to give the exact date."

They also revised the delivery number of KAAN in 2028. They aim to deliver 10 Block-10 KAAN in 2028.
Well I've got a single comment... At least they're not skipping anything. I also fully expect the real P1 prototype to be rolled-out not too late after the flight.

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A whopping $23 billion for new F-16s

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And as predicted, the Greeks get F-35s in exchange

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LMAO the entire miltwitter is laughing their asses off


40 x F-16V (32C + 8D)
79 x F-16V Mod
952 x AIM-120C8 AMRAAM
401 x AIM-9X-BII Sidewinder
864 x GBU-39/B SDB
96 x AGM-88E AARGM
850 x GBU-31V1 JDAM
200 x GBU-31V3 JDAM
384 x GBU-32 JDAM
3 x GBU-38/54 JDAM
16 x AN/AAQ-33 Sniper TGP
8 extra F110-GE-129 engines
30 additional APG-83 SABR AESA radars
49 additional IVEWS ECM suites
4 additional 20 mm M61 Guns
50 extra Mission Computers
40 additional GPS systems
858 LAU-129 missile launchers etc.
 
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CasualObserver

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nine hundred fifty-two (952) Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) AIM-120C-8 or equivalent missiles
four hundred one (401) AIM-9X Block II Sidewinder missiles
16 x AN/AAQ-33 Sniper TGP
ninety-six (96) AGM-88B High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM)
Infrared Search and Track (IRST) pods
Triple Missile Launcher Adapters (TMLA); aircraft, avionics, and weapons integration, test support, and equipment; major modernization upgrade kits for F-16 Block 40 and Block 50+ aircraft and Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) modifications

The most important part is without a doubt the addition of SLEP kits for indigenous Özgür-2 modernisation. This means;

275 F-16s in total
-139 F-16Vs (with American/NATO munitions) -136 F-16 Özgür-I/-IIs (with domestic radar, avionics and munitions)
 

CasualObserver

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LMAO the entire miltwitter is laughing their asses off
Personally IDGAF what some half-witted trolls think, what matters most is national security. The F-35 discussion has reached its conclusion a long time ago and it is simply pointless to grieve it now.

These fools humour the increasing likelihood of a conflict between two NATO allies, this just shows how much braindamaged they actually are.

Still, TurAF has lost too much blood recently and this new F-16 procurement won't be enough to deter Greek ambitions. If I were them, I'd also press for the option to buy Eurofighters if possible. It won't be a 1:1 replacement capability-wise but Turkey can try to implement deep strike through indigenous LO drones and depend more on IADS and networking to cover up for the lack of LO fighter aircraft.

That is... until Kaan becomes available in sufficient numbers...(2030+)
 

CasualObserver

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Personally IDGAF what some half-witted trolls think, what matters most is national security. The F-35 discussion has reached its conclusion a long time ago and it is simply pointless to grieve it now.

These fools humour the increasing likelihood of a conflict between two NATO allies, this just shows how much braindamaged they actually are.

Still, TurAF has lost too much blood recently and this new F-16 procurement won't be enough to deter Greek ambitions. If I were them, I'd also press for the option to buy Eurofighters if possible. It won't be a 1:1 replacement capability-wise but Turkey can try to implement deep strike through indigenous LO drones and depend more on IADS and networking to cover up for the lack of LO fighter aircraft.

That is... until Kaan becomes available in sufficient numbers...(2030+)
People here who have no idea about this topic may try to simply laugh it off; but, each historical tensions and confrontations between Tur & Gre happened while Greece was on a shopping spree and possessed the overall better inventory.

That's why these attempts at dramatically changing the balance frighten me as a peace-seeking native. It is that simple.
 
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