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CasualObserver

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Kale is developing a small turbofan engine for missiles and UAVs.

A nice interview with the head of Kale:


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Kale Arge will make the first delivery of the KTJ-3700 Turbojet Engine to be used in the KARA ATMACA Cruise Missile within a few days.

Roketsan continues its development activities for the KARA ATMACA Surface-to-Surface Cruise Missile, based on the ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile in the inventory of the Naval Forces Command.

In this context, Kale Arge will deliver the national engine KTJ-3700, used in KARA ATMACA, to Roketsan within a few days.

Regarding the issue, Kale Arge General Manager Cüneyt Kenger said in a statement to SavunmaSanayiST: “Our KTJ-3700 engine is a turbojet engine that has superior features compared to its equivalents in the world. As its name suggests, it has a thrust of 3700 Newtons. But our engine is still low in weight and has lower fuel consumption than its equivalents.

We conducted the first prototype test in 2023. It was very successful. Prototype production is currently continuing. We will deliver our first engine to our customer next week. “It quickly became an engine that we are very proud of.” statements were included.
 

CasualObserver

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İMECE-2 and İMECE-3 satellites are coming! It is seen that İMECE-2 and İMECE-3 satellite projects were included in the Official Gazette published on January 15, 2024.
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There is also a project to develop high-resolution satellite constellations. And its budget is almost twice that of the İmece-1 project.
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taxiya

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TRMotor timeline is the best I can do for now


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+ Record development of the TS1400 from scratch to FF in 6 years and 2 weeks vs 8-9 years compared to more experienced engine makers (LHTEC T800 and Safran Arrano)
+ 3rd gen CMSX-10 material which performs up to 30% better than it's counterparts.
+ Serious state support for development of CMC for engines (started in late 2020 and yesterday singed into life).
+ Rumors that RR and Kale have joined the engine development too.
It seems that TEI is more ambitious than Pratt & Whitney's F119 program, especially considering that US had already developped many types of turbo-fan engines prior to F-119.

The Advanced Fighter Enging Program was established in 1983. First ground test of F-119-PW-100 was 1993, 10 years from the start of program. The first flight on airframe was 1997, 4 years after first fire.

If I understand your diagram correctly, 2017 is the establishment of the program, 2022 is the start of the full engine design, so far no prototype was made. If it is made and test fired in 2024. It is 7 years compared to F-119's 10 years. If I understand 2028 as first flight on airframe, it is 4 years which matches F-119. Overall it is 11 vs. 14 years. All these is based on assumption that the fabrication of the engine is actually underway already.

To be honest, 2035 would be more realistic especially if the engine is indigenously produced because design on paper is much easier than actually fabricating and assembling. If the engine's fan or compressor blade are 3D printed, the printer is from US, so are the powders and its production techniques, domestication of them need times too.
 
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sequ

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It seems that TEI is more ambitious than Pratt & Whitney's F119 program, especially considering that US had already developped many types of turbo-fan engines prior to F-119.

The Advanced Fighter Enging Program was established in 1983. First ground test of F-119-PW-100 was 1993, 10 years from the start of program. The first flight on airframe was 1997, 4 years after first fire.

If I understand your diagram correctly, 2017 is the establishment of the program, 2022 is the start of the full engine design, so far no prototype was made. If it is made and test fired in 2024. It is 7 years compared to F-119's 10 years. If I understand 2028 as first flight on airframe, it is 4 years which matches F-119. Overall it is 11 vs. 14 years. All these is based on assumption that the fabrication of the engine is actually underway already.

To be honest, 2035 would be more realistic especially if the engine is indigenously produced because design on paper is much easier than actually fabricating and assembling. If the engine's fan or compressor blade are 3D printed, the printer is from US, so are the powders and its production techniques, domestication of them need times too.
F119 technology in the '90s, is todays VCE with CMC's. Blisks and 3rd gen single crystal alloys where the latest and greatest back then, making '90s military turbofan engines reach a TWR of ~9, which is sufficient for a (max) 2 ton engine to reach 18 tons(!) of thrust.

They aren't aiming for a VCE+CMC turbine blades in the Kaan engine. By all means, they'll probably use last year casted for the first time TEI CMSX-10 which performs 30% better + LPC and HPC (stage 1-3 at least) blisks, of which TEI has produced and exported 1000's of.

As an example, F110-GE-129 change into -132 got its LPC ratio improved from 3.4 to 4.2 just by using blisks, increasing it's thrust to 34000lb.

BTW, I believe the F119 is capable of producing 38k lbf of thrust if it uses a conventional round nozzle. Soviet tests on the Su-27 have shown that a rectangular nozzle reduces engine thrust by 10%.

To give another example, the EJ200 tech demonstator engine named XG-40 was designed for a TWR of 10 in the '80's!

And I haven't even mentioned the 3d printed and tested turbine blade by TEI plus the fact that they have state support to develop all kinds of CMC for turbine engines.
 
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gelgoog

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Today it is possible to use computer simulation to test how the engine will work without actually building anything. And you have 3D printing which reduces the amount of time required to make a prototype part. This enables iterating much more quickly to get a working first engine. Or at least that's the expectation. But I also think the Turkish timeline is way too optimistic given their (lacking) past experience though.
 

sequ

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The F110 was proposed to deliver 36000lbf thrust by using blisks and the CFM56-7 core which includes 90's 3D aerodynamic improvement and René N5 2nd generation SC turbine blades, which performs worse than CSMX-4.

Imagine what 3rd gen SC alloys and 21st century CFD can do for a clean sheet design.

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sequ

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Indonesian Navy is preparing to procure ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile. It is planned to integrate Roketsan ATMACA Anti-Ship Missiles into a total of 41 warships.

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This is potentially huge with hundreds of missiles needed. Potentially needing Turkish CMS to go with it too.

Deal for missiles such as Atmaca, Khan (Bora) and Hisar (Trisula) missiles was signed in 2022. Only now we get to see how large the deal is.
 
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