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A story of how Turkey started developing mission computers for its aerial platforms. From the technological think tank of STM called 'ThinkTech'. Link is under the story.

One of the names with this memory is Retired Lieutenant General Alpaslan Erdogan. Erdogan's memory of how some successes were built step by step in the process of indigenization and nationalization is very important:

In 2001, I was working as the Director of the Defense Research Branch at the Land Forces Headquarters. Contract negotiations for AH-1Z armed helicopters to be purchased from the USA Bell company was started. When I came from abroad, the Gn.P.P President then said to me, "Colonel, you are also entering into these contract negotiations." Contract negotiations continued with the Americans. There are Bell company representatives, smug Americans, who say they will not let the current configuration of the helicopter to be touched. Within the perspective of Army Aviation of that period, it was desired that the helicopters should be wheeled instead of skids, especially unlike the AH-1P helicopters in our inventory.

The Americans said, "Ours are sled, we don't let anyone touch it". It goes on like this for days. Finally, a first lieutenant approached me, “Commander, if you spare an hour for me, I will tell you something important. The main thing here is the mission computer of this helicopter,” he said. “What is this mission computer?” I said. He said, "We have to make the software for this, sir." “How are we going to do it?” I said. "Commander, let's get involved with the software of this mission computer," he said. He said, "Let's force it, if the Republic of Turkey does it all, we will dominate most things." "Okay, let's bring it up the next day" I said.
We started to bring it up. Americans said "We don't let you touch, We will not open it, we will give it to you like this, we will never mix it up,". At the end of a week there was a lot of progress and they said, "We'll open 95 percent of the software to you." During the coffee break, I said to the head of the delegation, “You give 95 percent, but why not give this 5 percent? What is the criticality here?” “Colonel, can you assure me that this helicopter will not one day be used against the United States? If you can give me this guarantee, I'll give you this 5 percent," he said. This bothered me a lot.

Now Gn. I went to our P.P president. "That's what they say, Commander," I said. “Stop contract negotiations. Bring that first lieutenant to me," he said. We went, our first lieutenant told us. So what are we gonna do? “There is an associate professor lady at TÜBİTAK MAM, she knows these things. Let's invite her." At that time, we had a retired general in the SSB, Celal Pasha, Head of Aviation Department, and we coordinated with him, we held a meeting in the SSB building on Bitişen Sokak. That lady also came and said, "This can happen, give me a week." We met a week later. She prepared a matrix. There are 17 items. Divided by 17. Below were the companies listed. I never forget, she wrote in the first line, "NETAS makes the box of this task computer, AYESAŞ writes here, MAM does that, MİLSOFT does that" etc. Finally he (the commander) says, “We do this.” “What is the cost of this?” we asked. They said, "If you give 80,000 TL, we will work on this job and come."

A project called R&D 2001 was started by SSB. R&D In 2001, that mission computer worked in the laboratory. When the software is done, the ball turns that way, it turns this way. Everything is ok. The R&D 2004 project followed. A helicopter was given to TAI. A consortium called AS-MA-TA was established with the participation of ASELSAN, MAM and TUSAŞ, the system developed in the laboratory was installed in the AH-1S helicopter, and in September 2007, this helicopter went to fire with this mission computer.

We went to Şereflikochisar for shooting. There are foreigners, there are embassies, there are company representatives and there are Irish people among us. "They can't, they can't," they said in the background. “Is that what the girl in the ripped pants wrote, what this guy with the ponytail earrings did?” Such conversations (they had among them). I was very upset. Vecdi Gönül, our then Minister of National Defense, said, "What happened, General, why are you so upset?" “There is a very important team behind. Waiting for failure, they prepared the henna. If we fail, henna will be burned," I said. “Hopefully they will stay,” he said.
The helicopter fired the missile from a distance of four or five kilometers and hit the target in the center. While some of our friends like me cry and hug each other; On the other side, there was a mob saying, "Oh seriously, he hit it".

Well who was that lieutenant? That first lieutenant was Sunar Oktay, who is currently working at TAI. When he retired as a major, he started to work in the helicopter group of TAI with the efforts of the Head of Aviation Department at the time, myself and Muharrem Dörtkaşlı. I don't know his current position. At the urging of that first lieutenant, we got a mission computer. That mission computer is flying over the ATAK helicopters. That mission computer has evolved into other things. We achied that with R&D.

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Repkon produces shaft for Turkey's first domestically developed helicopter​


"In this scope we produce helicopter shafts for Turkish Aerospace. The shaft is produced with flow forming technology. This is the first time in the world a helicopter shaft is produced with flow forming technology.

In this way we are able to produce pylon shafts for Turkish Aerospace T625 helicopters. In the near future we will also start the production of horizontal shafts. Our main target is producing shafts for the ATAK helicopter, pylons and horizontal shafts as well."


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MKE aims to complete the (development) of the electric/hybrid Firtina in the first quarter. We've already seen it displayed at IDEF'21 were it moved under electric power.

"In the first quarter of next year, we will be launching our bigger projects under the leadership of our state elders, our President, and our Minister. From the close air defense system to one of the most important projects, we are working on the engine world, which they think they can put us through by imposing an embargo. Regarding diesel, TUSAŞ, TR Motor, Our friends in the BMC, Kale group are doing good work. We also saw the need to do an alternative study. We worked on the electric engine version. We finished the electric armored combat vehicle, and we received our order. We have already started mass production of 50 units, but our goal is to complete the electric Storm (Firtina) Howitzer in the first quarter. Afterwards, to be able to sign more different projects. We follow the change in the world seriously. We are in a very big breakthrough. From the Ministry of National Defense to the Presidency of Defense Industries, we continue to undertake very big projects, and we will continue to do so. As our Minister said at the launch of the 'Sea Cannon', we succeed, we can, we do and we will. I hope 2022 will be the year of MKE."

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There were rumors that MKE is also working on an electric-hybrid powerpack for tanks. I hope we'll soon have official confirmation. I'm optimistic that Turkey will have two domestic powerpacks to choose from to equip its Altay tank. AFAIK it'll be a first in the world to have an MBT with a hybrid powerpack.
 

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Another nice example of US and other embargoes affecting Turkish military projects given by Alper Köse, Head of the Department of Naval Vehicles at the Presidency of Defense Industries:

"We were going to use the US made Mk 41 as the vertical launch system on the 5th MİLGEM ship (1st I-class frigate). However, no export permit was issued. The strange thing is, they never said they (US) won't give, and they kept it waiting. In addition, even if an export permit is issued, sometimes they still do not give it. We agreed with ROKETSAN and rearranged the contract so that the vertical launch system would be made by ROKETSAN. Doing this will give us a huge added value. Because we will not use the developed system only on I-class frigates, we will now have our own solution for all our ships that require a vertical launch system.

Another example is Phalanx and SeaRAM, which are close air defense systems commonly used on our ships. However, ASELSAN developed the Phalanx equivalent GÖKDENİZ close air defense system. Also; ASELSAN, TÜBİTAK and ROKETSAN are developing the SeaRAM equivalent Point Air Defense Systems. We are no longer dependent on them.

They also caused trouble in HARPOON, but the ATMACA with better features was made. The production activities of HİSAR, the equivalent of ESSM (Evolve Sea Sparrow Missile), continues. The country from which the (naval) fire control radar was supplied had not yet imposed an embargo, but we were expecting it. For this reason, we started our work without waiting for the embargo. As a result, ASELSAN developed its own Fire Control Radar AKREP-D. Then came the embargo."


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TAI delivered the final T129 of this year. A total of 11 t129 have been delivered this year all of them being Phase II T129.

Count so far:

Army: 56 T129 (5x phase II)
Gendarmerie: 9 (3x phase II)
Police: 3 (all phase II)
Total delivered for Turkey: 68

Total amount will reach 83 by the end of 2022. If no follow up orders then that'll be the end of the T129 production then. Turkey has the license to produce and export T129 up to 2027 according to the deal singed back in 2007.

 
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