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Gokdeniz CIWS was exported to the Philippines, which became the third country to import it after Pakistan and Turkmenistan.
Gokdeniz is a weapon complex that uses 2 x 35 mm guns from Oerlikon (Though manufactured and modified in Turkey under license). It shoots 1100 rounds per minute from both barrels in total. It features 2 PESA radars and an IR/EO assembly, and is fully capable of autonomous operation. It can also engage in helicopters, UAVs, coastal targets, ships and even floating mines in addition to ASCMs. Its primary round is Aselsan ATOM. It is an AHEAD type ammo.
Gokdeniz:

BoraTas said:

It features 2 PESA radars

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I think the search radar (MAR-D) is AESA like on the Korkut, AIC and Hisar-A. This is what I found about it in Aselsan annual reports of 2015 and 2016:




And on the site of Aselsan it says that the "mobile search radar" is AESA:

And seeing that the MAR-D is a slightly modified MAR I think that the MAR-D is also AESA.

BoraTas said:

Gokdeniz CIWS was exported to the Philippines, which became the third country to import it after Pakistan and Turkmenistan.
Gokdeniz is a weapon complex that uses 2 x 35 mm guns from Oerlikon (Though manufactured and modified in Turkey under license). It shoots 1100 rounds per minute from both barrels in total. It features 2 PESA radars and an IR/EO assembly, and is fully capable of autonomous operation. It can also engage in helicopters, UAVs, coastal targets, ships and even floating mines in addition to ASCMs. Its primary round is Aselsan ATOM. It is an AHEAD type ammo.
Gokdeniz:
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Why Chinese CIWS shoot much higher rate than this baby of only 1,100 rounds per minute

fyi, Type 1130 can fire 11,000 rounds per minute, even much older type 730 can fire 4,200 rounds per minute?

antiterror13 said:

Why Chinese CIWS shoot much higher rate than this baby of only 1,100 rounds per minute

fyi, Type 1130 can fire 11,000 rounds per minute, even much older type 730 can fire 4,200 rounds per minute?

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The reason is 35 mm, just two barrels and most importantly AHEAD ammo. AHEAD ammo is incredibly effective at scoring hits. The efficacy of such rounds against bigger, faster and harder skinned objects like Chinese and Russian anti-ship missiles is disputed (so most CIWS use saboted tungsten rounds) but the best Greece has is subsonic and small Harpoon so the navy went with such a design.
Also, Turkey lacked a domestic CIWS system a few years ago so one had to be readily derived from the land based Korkut.
How AHEAD ammo works:

BoraTas said:

The reason is 35 mm, just two barrels and most importantly AHEAD ammo. AHEAD ammo is incredibly effective at scoring hits. The efficacy of such rounds against bigger, faster and harder skinned objects like Chinese and Russian anti-ship missiles is disputed (so most CIWS use saboted tungsten rounds) but the best Greece has is subsonic and small Harpoon so the navy went with such a design.
Also, Turkey lacked a domestic CIWS system a few years ago so one had to be readily derived from the land based Korkut.
How AHEAD ammo works:

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Thanks. I thought the Chinese ammo (30mm) also create many many fragments near the objects ?

antiterror13 said:

Thanks. I thought the Chinese ammo (30mm) also create many many fragments near the objects ?

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No. It fires tungsten APDS at 1050-1100 m/s, just like its western counterparts.
"The 30×165 mm machine gun shells launched by H/PJ-13 are armor-piercing shells developed by the Chinese Navy for them, replacing the high-explosive shells fired by the prototype AK-630M. "

sequ said:

TAI delivered the final T129 of this year. A total of 11 t129 have been delivered this year all of them being Phase II T129.

Count so far:

Army: 56 T129 (5x phase II)
Gendarmerie: 9 (3x phase II)
Police: 3 (all phase II)
Total delivered for Turkey: 68

Total amount will reach 83 by the end of 2022. If no follow up orders then that'll be the end of the T129 production then. Turkey has the license to produce and export T129 up to 2027 according to the deal singed back in 2007.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476597883218636809

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It seems that this T129 is sporting a 2 new EW antenna's at the rear of the helicopter below the tailrotor besides the standard 2x2 on the wing tips and according to some analysts, the pod that it carries is an EW pod. To me it resembles a test pod containing test equipment. Time will tell.

The electronic attack part of the Redet II has been delivered now called 'Vural'. Previously only the ESM part of the Redet II system was known to be delivered.

The Redet is the army version of the Koral which is in use by the air force. The difference is that Redet uses 6x6 chassis and Koral 8x8 and it is assumed that the Koral is more powerful.

More can be read here:
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"Our deliveries continue on the last day of the year.

We delivered the Electronic Attack versions of the #VURAL Radar Electronic Warfare System with national software and hardware to the Turkish Armed Forces for the first time. Congratulations..

VURAL will make a significant contribution to the Electronic Warfare power of our army."

BoraTas said:

The reason is 35 mm, just two barrels and most importantly AHEAD ammo. AHEAD ammo is incredibly effective at scoring hits. The efficacy of such rounds against bigger, faster and harder skinned objects like Chinese and Russian anti-ship missiles is disputed (so most CIWS use saboted tungsten rounds) but the best Greece has is subsonic and small Harpoon so the navy went with such a design.

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But the plan is to combine 35mm AHEAD with 20mm APDS, is it? I at first considered mixing two CIWS on a single ship weird, but it makes some sense in a larger scheme.
Or is it for Barbaros MLU only?

Gloire_bb said:

But the plan is to combine 35mm AHEAD with 20mm APDS, is it? I at first considered mixing two CIWS on a single ship weird, but it makes some sense in a larger scheme.
Or is it for Barbaros MLU only?

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For the Barbaros MLU a final decision is not yet made but: