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Xsizor said:

I noticed that post but some commenters were insisting that this drone is "older version" and the newer ones are all Turkish systems throughout.

I left it there alone.

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To be fair, they did replace some of the imported subsystems with indigenous ones due to sanctions ,it’s quiet easy because TB-2 is a simple system ,I’d be surprised if they were not capable of doing that.

Philister said:

To be fair, they did replace some of the imported subsystems with indigenous ones due to sanctions ,it’s quiet easy because TB-2 is a simple system ,I’d be surprised if they were not capable of doing that.

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Ofcourse, if they push it, they can for TB2. But defence modernization can't happen independent of economic health and strained relations for a country that subscribes to free market capitalism and cooperation. This is a story in development and we have to sit this out and watch.

Going by recent events, Turkish Ukraine cooperation will bring a lot of benefits if they maneuver properly.

"With the know-how of MKE from the E-ZMA project, the hybrid propulsion system will also be applied to tanks.

Work continues for E-Firtina."

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Interesting albeit a logical development. Can't wait for the official confirmation.

Xsizor said:

I noticed that post but some commenters were insisting that this drone is "older version" and the newer ones are all Turkish systems throughout.

I left it there alone.

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A lot of components were replaced indeed. And if you look at the post you will see a lot of mundane items like transreceiver, fuel pump, altimeter etc... All of them expect the camera and engine have direct alternatives in Turkey. For example, fuel valves and pumps were replaced immediately when Canada imposed the arms embargo on Turkey.
The camera has an inferior but workable alternative too and that says something because EO is a particularly high-tech area in the defense industry. The field involves optics, electronics, semiconductors, precision machinery, material science, and software. Even collective Europe or China do not have products that can perform as well as their American counterparts despite their massive resources and strong high-tech industries. The US still manages to keep a small lead against them. Turkey having an inferior but comparable product is a massive success for it and it is also a true indicator of ASELSAN's capabilities.
The engine part is only problematic because of Bayraktar TB-2's dimensions. The PD-170 is too big for it and uses diesel instead of gasoline. The PD-170/180/222 are among the highest performance and efficiency aviation diesels ever, enabling the 49 hour endurance of Aksungur. The said engine is a civilian engine so Canada is probably having a hard time with enforcing the sanctions (as evidenced by ongoing production).

The last point I will touch is engineering. This "just assembled" is a ridiculous argument. People think everything is assembled as easily as an IKEA furniture or desktop PC, forgetting that those parts were engineered specifically to be assembled easily and are heavily standardized. For my latter example, the standardization is across the industry. You can not assemble a product without adequate know-how and tools unless the product is designed with that in mind. And the requirements increase with the complexity of the product. Russia was unable to assemble a lot of its weapon systems for years after the fall of the USSR because the factories were left in countries that went independent. An aircraft, even a small and slow one like the TB-2, is a very complicated product that requires extremely deep supply chains. If Turkey was just assembling it, that would still be a minor success. A lot of people who claim the TB-2 is just assembled in Turkey are from countries with no such industry at all. But this is not-factual because Turkey is also the designer of the system and manufactures the majority of its parts all the way to individual screws and PCBs. A lot of those parts are of Turkish design as well. It reminds me of all the nonsense arguments about the Chinese industry. Some people were claiming China was just the assembler of foreign parts for foreign markets. It was both factually wrong and meaningless. The "just assembled there" is the exactly same argument pointed against the Turkish defense industry.

Note: My argument is general not directed to you.

Defence Turkey: You finalized the 76/62mm in 12 months, is there any time schedule for the 127 mm?
Yasin AKDERE : We planned it as 2023 at the latest. As you know, our colleagues showed an outstanding performance at this year's
IDEF’ 21. Our goal is to launch the 127mm Naval Gun in IDEF’23. The 76/62 mm Naval Gun consists of 16,800 pieces. We were producing barrels for a foreign company in advance. We have completely digitized this product; its feeding unit or balancing with gyros on the ship. We have a digital product. It is one of the best examples in its class. We have reached this point by gathering together 16,800 parts and ensuring their tolerance and adaptation.

Defence Turkey: You have just pointed to the smart munition for the 76/62 mm Naval Gun. Will there be a radar on the gun, as in the examples abroad?
Yasin AKDERE: No, there will be just munition. We will make the munition smart.



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Interesting bit about the smart ammo for the 76mm gun. No external radar or other sensor to guide the round. I wonder with what kind of solution they'll come up with.

Kudo's to MKE for the fast development!

This comes after the recent tension with the Bosnian-Serbs.

About that TB2 drone downing.

So the Syrian Pantsir was destroyed by the Israeli because the crew went for a smoke. SMH.

The Pantsir systems that were exported were developed in early 2000 based on Soviet tech.
I doubt it could deal with UAV and its smaller size missiles. or the crew had any idea when drone strike is happening.

Ismail Demir: Avionics Company Should Be Established in Turkey


AVITECH'21 Avionics Workshop brought together institutions and organizations operating in the sector.



Speaking at the workshop, SSB President Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir said, “The developments in the avionics field are very pleasing. As we often say, it is possible to say that we have made significant progress when we look at the past, but when we look to the future and where we need to be, we see that we have more work to do. Together, we need to continue the technology journey successfully without wasting a single penny or a second. I want to emphasize that we need to be unanimous on this issue.” said.

“As Advice, I Want to Emphasize the Need to Establish an Avionics Company”

Prof. Dr. Demir continued his words as follows:

“Especially in the field of avionics, when we think about the disruptions we see from time to time regarding the coordination between and among our companies' own units in the future, I would like to emphasize that the establishment of an avionics company should be two or three players in this sector as a recommendation, and this may be beneficial. . I would like to point out that it is not important to reduce the loss of various capabilities in the organizations, but to create a roadmap by creating a synergy.”

Demir ended his speech as follows:

“During this workshop, various technical issues and strategies will be discussed and I believe it will be very beneficial. I see that it will provide an environment to create a consensus, a brainstorm in this direction. I hope and see that very positive fruits will emerge from this environment. Hopefully, at the end of this workshop, when the friends in the industry and us come together again, I believe that we will achieve technology breakthroughs by making some firsts in the world, much faster and more successful in our walk in the field of avionics with the good ideas and steps that will come out of this.”

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Aselsan is the main avionics company in Turkey but it seems that they want to establish a dedicated avionics company pooling all the know-how in Turkey. This trend might also extend to subsystems and thus creating various specialized companies instead on one major one like Aselsan.

Meteksan is already competing a bit with Aselsan in EW and radars and dazzling systems and Roketsan and Tubitak Sage have started their their own IIR sensor development and production capability.

I wonder what the trend will be in the coming years.