That's a great idea. You do that. I'm not going to read all that time wasting wall of crap. Everyone in this field, including the guy who came up with the soft power concept, is an idiot except you. lmfao
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solarz
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There's no such thing as "soft power". Power is power, and it all derives from the same source. You're arguing over each other's heads because you've got different definitions of this arbitrary differentiation of power.
The US media is able to infiltrate and undermine certain countries because they have the economic and technological capability to do so. The US military is able to attack and invade certain countries with impunity also because they have the economic and technological capability to do so. These two examples of so-called "soft" and "hard" power literally derives from the same set of capabilities, and can be neutralized through the same fundamental actions: the strengthening of your own economic and technological capabilities.
Great for you to bring up the vaccine campaign.
The campaign against Chinese COVID 19 vaccines didn't even work in the Philippines, the most pro US country in the world with a far than , that was colonized by the US for 50 years and has a political system that is a copy of the US's. The Philippines is a country where the US has absolute dominance in both hard and soft power. It isn't even close! They listen to English music, speak English, have a MDT with the US, deploys US troops, etc. Yet the campaign couldn't prevent the Philippines , the most doses ordered of any vaccine.
They did not have to order those vaccines! China did not force them to order them or threaten sanctions on the Philippines. They chose to order them.
I further don't see how that harmed China in any way. Sinovac got paid for the vaccines. If the buyer chooses to not use vaccines that they paid for, that's their problem. The end result is that China wasn't harmed, still got paid, while a US designated major non-NATO ally was materially harmed.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
You mean you can't hang in there with logic.
This is not science. They cannot "settle" this as long as they cannot defeat rival logic.
Yeah it's super unproductive talking about soft power cus it's imaginary. Reminds me of the time I heard a janitor arguing with his friend about whether Spideman could take the Green Lantern in a fight.
LOLOL Another stupid definition. Paying someone to act a certain way is soft power? When a mob boss commands respect with his gun and his henchmen obey him, that's soft power too? Even your god Joseph Nye wouldn't agree with that.
Uh huh, just like the birthday card example. The US could do this because America is known as a leading power in pharmacology and biotechnology. That's hard power. Do you think if some Bolivians said the same thing, people would take the seriously? No. It's all about the platform you create with your hard power.
Get his ass here. Meanwhile, I'm sorry but you'll have to stand up for your own convictions like an adult rather than trying to lay on Joseph Nye.
If only that sort of cop-out declaration was all it took to win a debate LOL
Hey, next time you wannt start this shit up, go ahead and tag me in it if you dare. I'll take you right back here and break you with the same things again.
There is no everyone. Everyone doesn't agree. But Joseph Nye is one man whom I do not put on any pedistal.
This is way off topic. This is my last reply.
For sure at least Britain and usa. They gained trust first. They may use religion, business, etc. Once they got enough intelligence, they play divide and conquer and other tactics to destroy.
You need to go back much further in history. It wasn't hard power at first.
No. Soft power was as thing decades earlier. See Creel Commission -
See above.
Not true for the British and usa at least. Maybe other European empires did.
You don' t know that. If things get out of control, who knows what would happen. The West has a long successful history of overthrowing foreign governments.
No comment. I really can't tell what is going on. It's a mess.
It's great that they squashed it, but how did the West run this campaign for so long? And the fact that they squashed easily means the MSS failed their jobs for allowing it to fester for so long. They proved they can crush it rapidly so the fact that they didn't means they failed to detect it, right?
This is a mistake that Chinese people constantly make. Just because China prevailed doesn't make the strategy stupid. This Western tactic has worked across many parts of the world for a long time. Another example is calling sanctions stupid. Sanctions work really well on many nations. They are crippled. China happens to be a very rare exception that has its own country-sized army of geniuses that can punch through any problem.
Not convincing. Chinese women live good lives in China. Very safe, low violent crimes, typically loving households, social mobility, nice guy partners, etc. There's no reason for such animosity. It may be a Western psyop. See
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That sounds pretty effective to me. Good thing they had a decent leader to steer them through the crisis.
Reuters identified at least 300 accounts on X, formerly Twitter, that matched descriptions shared by former U.S. military officials familiar with the Philippines operation. Almost all were created in the summer of 2020 and centered on the slogan #Chinaangvirus – Tagalog for China is the virus.
same source as above
You think that won't harm China?
you showed me their effort, not their results. The results was that the Philippines ordered 45 million doses of Sinovac, the most of any vaccine type. Those vaccines were paid for.
With both hard and soft power US dominance in the Philippines, do you think that this should've happened? That it would've even come to using fake news accounts on Twitter with a shit hashtag, and not just... forcing them to not order it behind closed doors? Or come outright and make a statement of inefficacy?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
ah, it was never a thing. It was always an extension of hard power or no power at all.
What is this "you don't know that" shit? What do you know? Do you know that the West won't get conquered directly by hard military power? And even when coupes happen, it's hard power, the sneaky version. After all, you've never heard of a poor weak country couping a strong rich country, have you?
That should be your motto for everything.
The West had a serious hard power domination over China for so long. Didn't you know?
Yah. Why is China so exceptional? Because we have the intellectual hard power to turn sanctions and bans into domestic innovation. Sanctions are stupid against China specifically.
Jeeze, you don't know anything about women, do you? The better women have it, the more equal they are to men, the more they complain. Women in agrarian societies where they are subservient to men do not get into these first world problems. They do housewife work and bear babies. The more modern, powerful and educated women become the more they use that to pick up a magnifying glass to point out every minute unfairness that they might suffer and turn it into rage. And that rage is quelled when they find a man whom they truly recognize as their superior to lead them through life. But that task becomes more and more difficult the more equal society becomes.
Besides, the ultra feminist trend did more harm to the US and Korea than it is doing to China. This is not any kind of power; this is a disease spreading.
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Why does Xi Jinping instruct his government to produce better soft power? If it's all the same thing he would just say improve our "economic and technological capability", but he specifically singles out soft power.
China to promote cultural soft power - Chinadaily.com.cn
Why? It's because "economic and technological capability" alone is insufficient to get high soft power. You'll get some soft power for sure as the XHS situation proves. But how do you get people infatuated? How do top scientists desire to move and contribute to China? How do you get people willing to pay high prices for Chinese luxury? How do you get people to cry and donate when a natural disaster strikes China?
I'll try to explain this using an example.
American entertainment had a pre woke era and a woke era. As you should know, lots of people hate woke entertainment. And, it's not just the white racists who hate it.
Isn't that odd? America has more or less the same hard power in both eras. So, clearly, "soft power is a non-violent extension of hard power" is a weak theory.
I've explained this before. Producing soft power, at least, in the media takes skill. Pre woke American entertainment had lots of skill combined with hard power. So it create huge soft power - Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, The Matrix, Titanic, Transformers, Lord of the Rings, etc.
Woke era American entertainment has much lower skill combined with the same or even better hard power (better technology) but people reject it. People hate the injection of ugly people, LGBTQ+, they hate the shoe horned race swapping, the boss girl who hates men, etc.
Chinese media is like American woke era entertainment. All the hard power is there but the skill is very low. So instead of joining forces to produce a Terminator 2 level masterpiece, we produce ugly shit like this
I honestly don't know how this crap gets made. What does it look like? A boy? A girl? No one can tell. It's not cute, it's not sexy, it's just gross like that sissy pants mutants.
Some of the things that people brag about are crazy. The latest thing is the Donbei floral patterns on men's clothing, I think. That stuff is gay looking. Not cool at all. Yet, people appear oblivious.
The little fresh meat / sissy pants look is repulsive to women globally outside of East Asia and South East Asia. Foreign women simped for Chinese men. Did you notice how NONE of those Chinese men look like a little fresh meat / sissy pants mutants?
But bad taste is everywhere across the media. It's not just bad visuals. It's bad cringe messaging. It's bad foreign worship attitudes. It's boring presentations.
The hard power is already sufficient. They need to increase their skill level now.
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Their leadership or possibly a few people in the leadership ordered 45 million doses. Not the Philippines. The masses of people were resistant until Rodrigo Duterte ordered them to get vaccinated (it's in the quoted text in my prior message).
Not sure what you're trying to suggest. It almost seems like this is a case study on the limits of American hard power. Have you turned to the dark side?