I'm talking about the Estonian people and not the elites. Even if the elites were Nazis why occupy them? Get rid of the Nazi scum and go home. I like Russia but I can't support occupation.
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What the heck does any of this have to do with Trump?
Nope. There are different degrees if occupation. Trying to paint them all the same is disingenuous and invalidates and belittles others suffering.
How would you feel if a Japanese person compares their current situation under occupation of the US with that of African slaves or the Palestinians and says that being occupied is not that bad?
Would you then agree that if the Japanese are it complaining about being occupied, Africans shouldn't either ?
Imaging telling that to the Native Americans, that the Baltics suffered under Russian occupation the same way they suffered from the Europeans? I'd imagine the first thing they'd ask is if the Baltics still had their country.
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I guess you failed to realize that the key point is identifying with the occupiers. Imperial Japan failed miserably at getting the Chinese to identify with them. Meanwhile, Japan and SK, both effectively under US occupation, are quite comfortable acting as its lapdogs.
The red army and prior Russian armies have used rape against defeated populations frequently. Russian rule also tried to supress national identities in Baltic states and others. It's valid to hate them for it. It's still stupid to do so in such an open way, depending on the Americans to protect them. Russia may be popular these days, but remember the behaviour of Russia during the boxer rebellion and the massacres of Chinese civilians in outer Manchuria.
The russians were never as gentle occupiers as the Americans are today in Japan.
The russians were never as gentle occupiers as the Americans are today in Japan.
It is only fair to compare past behavior with past behavior and current with current. Americans were also involved in the boxer rebellion and Chinese immigrants were also massacred in the US not to mention the treatment of slaves and Native Americans. As for today just look at the support for Israel.
While you have a point, keep in mind what Nazi Germany did to Slavic populations of Eastern Europe during WWII. And given that majority of Soviet Troops were fairly new recruits with high degrees of vengeance and a fairly small officer corps, what occurred is not super surprising. Not every army is PLA.
People who voted the Xavier apology option ought to be ashamed of themselves.
I've never seen credible accounts about Soviet rape that isn't just from nazi propagandists.
The USSR ended the war owning nearly 100% of former nazi German empire. They had full control there. In contrast, Japan especially only had control of a small portion of China during the maximum advance (and Germany had a slightly larger portion of USSR). The accounts of nazi crimes were undisputed and plentiful from all sources despite the fact Jap or German invaders never made it particularly far, whereas Soviets made it all the way to Berlin.
Sure there was individual events, but the USSR military policing was hardly lax. A fair number of USSR soldiers were dishonorably discharged or even executed just for looting, let alone the serious charges of rape and murder.
There is and has always been a difference between the military forces of the civilized and the uncivilized world, eroding this with historical revisionism is evil.