The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Belarus seems to only have 6-16 of these, nevertheless, they have full 290km range, 8 rockets per launcher and 1 min firing time before resuming movement. Meaning essentially PHL16s without the 500km special missiles, making them the most powerful MLRS west of the Urals.
Watch the narrative change from "GNSS guided MLRS like HIMARS are gamechangers and will stop the Russians" to "nah, they arent that great and won't stop Ukraine " if used by the Belarusians.

Putin is giving a speech right now, claims the SBU has tried to attack Kursk NPP three times already and also tried to sabotage the Turkish Stream pipeline.


There are claims that during the speech, a new wave of missiles were launched
 

Janiz

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A bit of shock and awe is all very good and raises the spirits of the troops, but it is ultimately a waste of munitions if it is simply a "payback" and not the prelude to a major new ground offensive with fresh troops in large numbers and new fronts being opened.
What major "new ground offensive" you're writing about? Ukrainian forces never left the border with Belarus. Do you even know how many troops Belarus has and how's the morale there?
 

tankphobia

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One possible theory is that Russia was simply using a lot of its "flex" missile inventory before, now that it has basically given up directly confronting NATO it is able to dip into its WW3 stockpile for munitions, hence we actually see missile numbers that makes sense.
 

Biscuits

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Watch the narrative change from "GNSS guided MLRS like HIMARS are gamechangers and will stop the Russians" to "nah, they arent that great and won't stop Ukraine " if used by the Belarusians.

Putin is giving a speech right now, claims the SBU has tried to attack Kursk NPP three times already and also tried to sabotage the Turkish Stream pipeline.

Well, there are differences between Polonez-M and Himars, mainly that the former has 4 times the range. But at least the PHL16 at max 500km is not that accurate, with a CEP of 30m. It's possible that the Polonez-M at 290km is not pin point accurate either, meaning it cannot hit moving targets, only stationary depots and the like.
 

sheogorath

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What major "new ground offensive" you're writing about? Ukrainian forces never left the border with Belarus. Do you even know how many troops Belarus has and how's the morale there?
I'm sure you totally know and you will be able to "edumacate" us on how Zelensky managed to do a "multiplication of loaves and fish" on Ukranian troops, managing to mount offensives on the east and south without pulling troops of everywhere else, to even replace the losses
 

sheogorath

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Well, there are differences between Polonez-M and Himars, mainly that the former has 4 times the range. But at least the PHL16 at max 500km is not that accurate, with a CEP of 30m. It's possible that the Polonez-M at 290km is not pin point accurate either, meaning it cannot hit moving targets, only stationary depots and the like.
I think HIMARS can't really hit moving targets either.

It is why they are developing the PrSM for them.

Ukraine claims to have shot down +50% of the missiles fired and most of the Geran 2 drones.

 
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Minm

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it is strategic attack, targeting data and energy infrastructure attacks the heart of Ukrainian strategy which depends on light infantry and vehicle swarming, and morale boosting via meme warfare. The only thing I'm surprise about is how long it took. Maybe this is how long it took to get the occupied regions fully intergrated to Russian data and energy networks and off the Ukrainian one.
What does it actually change on the battlefield? Assume all major power stations are shut down by the start of winter and there'll be very limited heating and electricity available in private homes. More people will flee to the EU and the little Ukrainian industry that's left will produce less. As most weapons are delivered from the west, the effect on industrial production won't matter much and people leaving will reduce energy demand. At the same time, the army will still have enough emergency supplies like diesel generators and they won't surrender just because they're cold. Destroying power stations won't stop trucks from transporting new weapons to the frontlines. Destroying the water infrastructure will mean more disease in civilians, but will have little effect on the army. The biggest impact might be on Ukraine's grain production which will presumably drop considerably next year, but that won't make it any easier to conquer territory.
 
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