The War in the Ukraine

tankphobia

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Minm

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Funny how dual use civilian infraestructure suddenly should be off-limits and attacking them becomes "terror bombings".



Most of the logistics in Ukraine are done by rail which is 45 electrified, and the majority of Ukraine's rolling stock is electric.

Out of +1800 trains, only 300 are diesel
Ok, but diesel engines can be supplied from the EU or replaced with trucks on roads. As more of the civilian population leaves, less infrastructure is needed and more trucks that previously supplied civilian warehouses can now carry ammunition. I do believe it's a good idea to destroy this type of infrastructure, at least it will remind countries like Georgia that even if they win on the battlefield, their country will end up devastated. But it's not going to stop the Ukrainians from fighting
 

sheogorath

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Ok, but diesel engines can be supplied from the EU or replaced with trucks on roads. As more of the civilian population leaves, less infrastructure is needed and more trucks that previously supplied civilian warehouses can now carry ammunition. I do believe it's a good idea to destroy this type of infrastructure, at least it will remind countries like Georgia that even if they win on the battlefield, their country will end up devastated. But it's not going to stop the Ukrainians from fighting

But you need to start deviating resources to cope, because now the diesel for the tanks, IFV, technicals and MRAPs needs to be shared with diesel for trains and power plants, which adds another layer of complexity as internal fighting develops.

There were articles talking about how units would have to squable over donated equipment, with units at the front not getting any of it, while others at the rear would hoard it. Now you have to add fuel to this.

You also have to deviate logistical resources to set up fuel depots for the trains where they might have not been any, plus distribution points. Specially as many depots have already been lost to missile strikes since the start of the war

Also, depending how long the outage lasts and how much further damage the Russians cause, there is no way 300 diesel trains can pick up the slack of 1600 electrical ones
 
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emblem21

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Straight from Z himself, indeed Russians are targeting power infrastructure in particular. Kharkiv is entirely without power now.
Well anyone that thinks Ukraine taking some territory from Russia equals to Russia losing the war, might be drunk on some strong Vodka. This is what happens when Russia starts to up the ante even a little. I wonder if Zelensky has some rope available……
 

xypher

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I think now would be a good timing to start a counterattack on the eastern front, especially after Belarus' threats which will force Ukrainians to devote some attention to their flank.
 

tank3487

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Ok, but diesel engines can be supplied from the EU or replaced with trucks on roads. As more of the civilian population leaves, less infrastructure is needed and more trucks that previously supplied civilian warehouses can now carry ammunition. I do believe it's a good idea to destroy this type of infrastructure, at least it will remind countries like Georgia that even if they win on the battlefield, their country will end up devastated. But it's not going to stop the Ukrainians from fighting
Civilian population cannot leave. Men in age group of 18-65 are banned from leaving Ukraine. Loopholes that were used to get away, getting shutdown.

And it does seem like they plan to do the same for women that are fit for service (they create a massive list of jobs that fit criteria), too.

Strikes on logistics mean less supplies for frontline. Cause instead of 4 trains for transportation, you now have just 1. And this 1 would require supply of same fuel that you use for your military.

I think now would be a good timing to start a counterattack on the eastern front, especially after Belarus' threats which will force Ukrainians to devote some attention to their flank.
It is too early. 300k(or more) of mobilized are still in training and forming new units. I suppose offensive would start in November or even December.
 
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