The War in the Ukraine

tankphobia said:

At least one of the spans appears to be drivable, I would not really trust driving logistics trucks across until further assessment is done though.

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Most of Russian military logistics use the train bridge which seems fairly intact, though, so that part of the goal failed.

tankphobia said:

ussian forces kill a bunch of civilians every time they attack Ukrainian civil infrastructure such as power generation

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Do they?.

tankphobia said:

are you going to apply the same standard or are you going to keep hyperfocusing on an attack that killed 3 people including the perpetrator?

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Well, then we'd have to start talking about the punitive shelling of Donetsk city center by the Ukranians the past few months or even start talking about Ukranian indiscriminate shelling of the East the entirety of the conflict since 2014, if you actually want to apply standars equally and not deflect.

‘General Armageddon’ to lead Russian forces in Ukraine​

Sergey Surovikin, a Syria campaign veteran, will take command of all operations, the Defense Ministry said



Army General Sergey Surovikin, who has been heading up the ‘South’ grouping of troops in Ukraine and Donbass, will assume overall command of Russian forces, the Defense Ministry announced on Saturday.

“By the decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergey Surovikin was appointed commander of the joint grouping of the forces in the area of the special military operation,” the ministry’s statement read.

The veteran general has held the position of commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces since 2017. The same year, he was awarded the title of Hero of Russia for his role in the military operation in Syria. Before that, he also took part in hostilities in Chechnya.
According to various media reports, Surovikin was given the nickname ‘General Armageddon’ by his colleagues, citing his hardline and unorthodox approach to military operations.

Surovikin took charge of the ‘South’ grouping during Moscow’s military campaign in Ukraine. In late June, the Russian Defense Ministry claimed that his troops had eliminated a major Ukrainian force encircled in the area of Gorskoye, in the Lugansk People’s Republic.

The new appointment comes as last week Russian and allied troops withdrew from the key town of Krasny Liman in the Donetsk People’s Republic to avoid encirclement. The move sparked criticism from a few Russian officials, who rebuked the military for not having organized more solid defenses.

After this morning's admission of the terrorist act on the Crimean bridge, Ukrainian officials have now reversed the pancake, perhaps because the original and main goal has not been achieved.

tankphobia said:

At least one of the spans appears to be drivable, I would not really trust driving logistics trucks across until further assessment is done though.

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Trucks will not be allowed for now, only cars and buses according to Russian authorities.

Trucks will use the services of ferries.

“At the moment, traffic is open to cars and buses with a full inspection procedure. We ask truck drivers to plan their route using the Kerch ferry crossing. Two hours later, the Kerch-2 ferry starts sailing across the strait,” the head of Crimea Aksyonov said.

sheogorath said:

Most of Russian military logistics use the train bridge which seems fairly intact, though, so that part of the goal failed.


Do they?.


Well, then we'd have to start talking about the punitive shelling of Donetsk city center by the Ukranians the past few months or even start talking about Ukranian indiscriminate shelling of the East the entirety of the conflict since 2014, if you actually want to apply standars equally and not deflect.

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Are you going to pretend things aren't happening on the daily or just false flag every time? I try to avoid posting anything related to civilian casualties because they are irrelevant to the military angle of the conflict and devolve into ugliness quickly , but pro-RU posters keep flinging around terms like terror attacks every time Russia gets hit in the rear. Mate this is a war, the only thing "unfair" about this attack is that Russia can't seem to hire competent people to screen vehicles on a road that is life blood for thousands.

plawolf said:

No one said it wasn’t a legitimate military target, but similarly no one can deny a suicide VBIED attack isn’t a terrorist tactic.

One easy and clear cut way to distinguish between legitimate military attack and terrorist attack is whether the Geneva convention allows for the attackers to be shot on the spot if caught.

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Calling what your enemy does a "terrorist tactic" is loser talk and the sort of thing we've come to expect to hear from Americans whenever they've gone to war post WW2. Stop complaining about what your enemy is doing and get shit done.

Ukrainians are doing whatever is necessary to win the war. Given they've been prepared to use human shields, kill their own civilians who they consider not loyal enough, suicide bombing a bridge is no big deal.

This war is like thinking your father was the toughest man you know then seeing him getting beaten up by a random alcoholic homeless man.

So a truck coming from Russian side packed with explosives got through x-ray inspection and physical inspection?


So how about another theory... Russians did it themselves? Unless Russian guards were paid off I can't see a truck filled with TNT going through two types of inspections unless Russian involvement. This is why I'm not there yet that this was a truck bomb.

Ouch. Mebrain esploded.

tankphobia said:

Are you going to pretend things

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aren't happening on the daily

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Lol, are they really trying to pass an Ukranian strike as a Russian one now like how they did it with the Ukranian strike on a train station few months ago?. Completely missed that one. Also, pretty sure that for every one of these, I can find two or three similar strikes carried out by the Ukranians since 2014 and we can poinlessly talk about the moral ramifications.

That said, westeners have no moral leg to stand on to talk about human rights violation whatsoever, might as well talk about women's rights with a rapist.

tankphobia said:

but pro-RU posters keep flinging around terms like terror attacks every time Russia gets hit in the rear.

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But it is a terror tactic but I'm not talking from a moral or ethical standpoint but from a tactical or strategic one. This smells of desperation as the winter months comes in and the tactic of "human waves on technicals" risks becoming ineffective once the ground muds up while the Russians in the south keep receiveing more IFV's and MBT.

Abominable said:

Ukrainians are doing whatever is necessary to win the war. Given they've been prepared to use human shields, kill their own civilians who they consider not loyal enough, suicide bombing a bridge is no big deal.

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This. It is par of the course for Ukranian actions at this point.

Abominable said:

Ukrainians are doing whatever is necessary to win the war.

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Naturally. Ukraine was attacked. They have every right to reclaim their own country.

More footage of damage to rail bridge from the side, it seems that the most difficult part will be removing the damaged train from the tracks, since the good railcars have already been removed.

sheogorath said:

But it is a terror tactic but I'm not talking from a moral or ethical standpoint but from a tactical or strategic one.

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The fact that you can't see how destroying a section of a critical roadway into Crimea during a offensive into the region as anything more than a terror attack shows how much your bias has clouded your judgement.

If Ukrainian forces managed to dislodge Russian forces from Kherson Crimea will be in the same position that it was from before the SMO and Kerch bridge, completely cut off.