The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Naturally. Ukraine was attacked. They have every right to reclaim their own country.
Does calling your Russian-speaking citizen "subhumans" and deeming them second-class citizens factors into that equation?

The fact that you can't see how destroying a section of a critical roadway into Crimea during a offensive into the region as anything more than a terror attack shows how much your bias has clouded your judgement.
Lol, way to quote only what suits you and completely ignore the rest of my point. Terror tactics can be also be of military value, is not an OR proposition.

A lot of US bombing in Korea was pretty much terror bombings, doesn't mean it didn't have military value regardless of how limited it might have been.
 

SolarWarden

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But it is a terror tactic but I'm not talking from a moral or ethical standpoint but from a tactical or strategic one. This smells of desperation as the winter months comes in and the tactic of "human waves on technicals" risks becoming ineffective once the ground muds up while the Russians in the south keep receiveing more IFV's and MBT.


This. It is par of the course for Ukranian actions at this point.
So if Ukraine would have used Flankers and somehow got through Russian air defenses and bombed the bridge with same result that would not be terror but because they "allegedly" used a truck it's terror in your eyes? Seriously?
 

Biscuits

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Seems like it is just a terminology difference. Since the attack is on military target, I think everyone can agree it is clear it is not in the same class as ISIS attacks that are only meant to cause loss of civilian life, even if the method of suicide bombing is the same.

Kamikaze strikes were not considered terror attacks either.
 

tankphobia

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Lol, way to quote only what suits you and completely ignore the rest of my point. Terror tactics can be also be of military value, is not an OR proposition.

A lot of US bombing in Korea was pretty much terror bombings, doesn't mean it didn't have military value regardless of how limited it might have been.
Well in my previous post I already stated that this is going to be "another false flag", seeing as it didn't deviate from my prediction I chose not to push it further as there is no point trying to argue further.

The US deliberately bombed troops gathering points that may have civilians mixed in, the only people killed in this attack were people trying to overtake the attacker. To compare them is to be deliberately obtuse.

Anyhow we're straying dangerously close to delete post territory now.
 

SolarWarden

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Military target? A bridge? So is the nuclear power plant a military target as well in your view?
You can call it a strategic target if you want, but a military target it is not.
Ukraine Military targeted that bridge... military target.

You should see video of the bridges US took out during Desert Storm and Desert Storm part deux... and Kosovo.
 

phrozenflame

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Don't they?. They have plenty of mobilization capability left on manpower alone and units from other military districts to deploy in the area. There is also the fact that they could increase the RuAF involvement in the whole affair. Then they could also make the ROE less restrictive and just blanket entire towns with artillery regardless of who is in there.

They can still hit targets in Lviv and other areas of Ukraine and they could also get Belarus involved from the North

So yes, they still have the hability to escalate.


Maybe, but considering their sabotages attempts within Ukraine in the occupied areas have already been of limited success, them being able to sabotage inside Russia are even already more limited.

The Kerch bridge could just have been pure luck, false flag or a number of other factors.

Couldn't or wouldn't?. Trying to answer that question with any certainty is just especulation on your part but so far, the way the Russians have been fighting, it seems to suggest more of a "wouldn't", for whatever reason.


Again, we don't know why. There is some sort of political game going on Russia where they taking their bureaucratic sweet ass time to react to stuff.






Have you guys forgotten the infamous blue screen speech, pretending to be in the streets of Kiev in February-Early March with just a t-shirt and no coat?. The guy isn't going to stay in Kiev to find out what might get hit in the city as an answer to jihading the Kerch Bridge.

Specially after he has been also called out in the west for begging for a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Russia.
Lots of 'could' 'would' 'should'. When? After the war has been lost?.
 

Abominable

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Military target? A bridge? So is the nuclear power plant a military target as well in your view?
You can call it a strategic target if you want, but a military target it is not.
Ukrainians are shelling the Russian controlled nuclear power plant in Ukraine and the Russians are doing nothing in response except begging the Ukrainians to stop doing it.

Ukrainian actions should be making the war easier for Russians yet they seem to be more interesting in PR and propaganda than actually winning the war.
 

FriedButter

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So a truck coming from Russian side packed with explosives got through x-ray inspection and physical inspection?
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So how about another theory... Russians did it themselves? Unless Russian guards were paid off I can't see a truck filled with TNT going through two types of inspections unless Russian involvement. This is why I'm not there yet that this was a truck bomb.

Ouch. Mebrain esploded.

I doubt it because it’s been shown time and time again that Russian internal security is rather subpar compared to everyone else.
 
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