The War in the Ukraine

LawLeadsToPeace

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Actually, those maxi pads are not too off from an actual field dressing. I remember getting a few “NATO-standard” dressings that came in an olive drab plastic coated pouch.

It doesn’t say much for the state of logistics, but logically speaking, its not stupid, both are pads that absorb blood…
If I remember correctly, aren't maxipads not good since it prevents open wounds from clotting? Quikclots are significantly better than maxipads in this regard.
 

supersnoop

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If I remember correctly, aren't maxipads not good since it prevents open wounds from clotting? Quikclots are significantly better than maxipads in this regard.

I definitely do not remember a whole lot on military first aid, but you actually don’t necessarily want to try to clot something like a chest wound which will just drown you in your own blood or something like that.

Outside of military first aid, I heard that quick clots are quite terrible outside of war zone emergencies because they make a mess of the wound.
 

Weaasel

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One can conclude this battle of Lyman will be won the Ukrainians. The Russians might already be withdrawing or might already have withdrawn substantive forces from Lyman. It remains to be seen to what extent they have reinforced Torske and Kremina. Since their objective is ultimately to take control of Donbass, they are definitely have to in future commit the resources to take Lyman again. They will likely do so, but at significant cost to materiel and peesonnel.
 

Weaasel

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The Russians have finally withdrawn from Lyman. The Ukrainians have won the battle there. It served the purpose to retard the Ukrainian offensive that began in Kharkov at the beginning of the month. Will the Ukrainians press on to Kremina immediately, or will they consolidate their positions in Lyman in anticipation of a certain future major attempted Russian counteroffensive? It remains to be seen.
 

Overbom

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The Russians have finally withdrawn from Lyman. The Ukrainians have won the battle there. It served the purpose to retard the Ukrainian offensive that began in Kharkov at the beginning of the month. Will the Ukrainians press on to Kremina immediately, or will they consolidate their positions in Lyman in anticipation of a certain future major attempted Russian counteroffensive? It remains to be seen.
Russians have rushed in some reinforcements so I don't think Ukraine should try to push for more. This Lyman gain was because Russia didn't have enough troops there. With reinforcements sent in, Ukraine should consolidate, and then move its troops to other locations.

Its like playing a game of mouse and cat. With undermanned Russian defensive lines, Ukraine can look for weak spots where there is minimal number of Russian troops and then attack it.
 

Weaasel

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Russians have rushed in some reinforcements so I don't think Ukraine should try to push for more. This Lyman gain was because Russia didn't have enough troops there. With reinforcements sent in, Ukraine should consolidate, and then move its troops to other locations.

Its like playing a game of mouse and cat. With undermanned Russian defensive lines, Ukraine can look for weak spots where there is minimal number of Russian troops and then attack it.
One will see how rational the Ukrainians actually are. They will definitely have a fairly accurate estimate of the Russians that they faced in and around Lyman, and they will know the rate at which they outnumbered them. As for the Russians, the Russians do not play hold on to any territory no matter what. The Russians could have withdrawn a week or two ago, but they probably decided to stick around to slowdown the Ukrainian general offensive elsewhere, allow for reinforcements elsewhere in northern Donbass and Kharkov to arrive and consolidate themselves for a future counterattack.

Hindsight is 20/20, and the Russians definitely did have the resources to have had at least 15,000 extra troops heavily equipped and on the defensive in Kharkov and northern Donbass before the Ukrainians arrived, that would probably have greatly limited Ukrainian gains. The Ukrainians have done well to do what they need to do and exploit Russian lack of man power and other weaknesses in that location.
 
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